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    and your hands are therefore clean by damning both sides--
    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you only needed to type" NIMBY was here" .. i already know what you are going to say long before you say it.
    partisans are nothing if not predictable.
    whine partisan while offering nothing--GOP-like--
    Libertarian is just another word for nothing left to lose--
    disowning all your votes and saying you're not at fault for the Nation's problems..

    I don't care what the GOP said they were gonna do...
    of course a GOP partisan hack like you doesn't care
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Sounds like you need to write your own constitution then.
    Majority rule leads to democracy not tyranny. If a majority party is indeed deemed tyrannical by the electorate then they will lose in the next election cycle.
    It would be nice if all legislation could be voted into law by huge majorities every time, but democracy calls for only a simple majority. The three fifths filibuster rule was OK when it was reserved to special circumstances but it has become the standard not the exception in modern legislation. The filibuster has stood in the way of compromise more than it has facilitated it.
    If the minority knows that it can stop a piece of legislation without any need to compromise their position they will.... and recently they have.
    Democracy...specifically Social Democracy...is merely a step toward Communism. Read Marx.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Sounds like you need to write your own constitution then.
    Majority rule leads to democracy not tyranny. If a majority party is indeed deemed tyrannical by the electorate then they will lose in the next election cycle.
    It would be nice if all legislation could be voted into law by huge majorities every time, but democracy calls for only a simple majority. The three fifths filibuster rule was OK when it was reserved to special circumstances but it has become the standard not the exception in modern legislation. The filibuster has stood in the way of compromise more than it has facilitated it.
    If the minority knows that it can stop a piece of legislation without any need to compromise their position they will.... and recently they have.
    Actually, if you bothered to learn a little history, the folks who wrote and signed our Constitution actually warned about the dangers of a direct democracy where the majority rules and the minority drools.

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    who would you vote for Navy--Palin--Paul--Perry--Cruz--Rubio--Santorum--
    they will split their votes in the 45 primaries--the 5 state caucuses mean little--
    check out the number of Repub primaries with Open or Modified primaries--
    or whether their delegates are winner-take-all or proportioned--CC in a landslide
    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If he is nominated I will probably vote for him but he would not be my first, second or third choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Sounds like you need to write your own constitution then.
    Majority rule leads to democracy not tyranny. If a majority party is indeed deemed tyrannical by the electorate then they will lose in the next election cycle.
    It would be nice if all legislation could be voted into law by huge majorities every time, but democracy calls for only a simple majority. The three fifths filibuster rule was OK when it was reserved to special circumstances but it has become the standard not the exception in modern legislation. The filibuster has stood in the way of compromise more than it has facilitated it.
    If the minority knows that it can stop a piece of legislation without any need to compromise their position they will.... and recently they have.
    Majority rule in congress is not in the constitution. And democracy does not mean majority rule, either. It simply means decision making according to one person one vote. We have plenty of things in this country which require more and less than a majority to pass.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Hatuey, the GOP has said they will do this anyway if they get control of the Senate..

    Sen. Grassley confirmed this today saying GOPers would do this on SCOTUS Justices, something Reid said he still won't do..
    How many more years does the GOP get to wage unilateral War ?
    Yeah, them plotting to do it and them actually doing it are two entirely different things. I can't in good conscience consider this to be the right path. This approval will only further divide the country with a winner takes all mentality and definitely opens up the flood gates for more oppressive means of silencing any group and passing all laws. There is a reason the founders didn't want simple majorities in the senate. I can understand certain cases where a simple majority would be necessary but the senate is the last place we should only need a simply majority to pass legislation.

    IMO: Reid has essentially made the Senate a rubber stamp for the House and the most valuable piece of the puzzle. What happens when there is a Republican House, Republican Senate and Republican President? It happened in the early 2000s. It can happen again and when it does, Democrats will get a serious ass whooping and Reid will be crucified.
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    what are you going to say when you have the usual feces on your face??
    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is what I thought...You pull **** out of your ass and throw it up against the wall and hope something sticks.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Harry Reid finally comes through

    The Senate has voted to change its rules so that a simple majority is required to confirm judicial nominations and executive branch picks — the so-called “nuclear option.”
    The final vote was 52-48. The previous threshold was 60 votes to bring such nominations to a final up-or-down vote.
    “The threshold for cloture on nominations not including the Supreme Court, is now a majority,” Sen Pat Leahy (D-Vt.), the Senate president pro temp, declared after the vote.
    Three Democrats voted with Republicans against the change: Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Mark Pryor (D-Ark.). Levin is a longtime senator; Manchin and Pryor come from red states.
    Shortly after the vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) office sent around a memo noting that the Senate has changed its procedures using a majority vote 18 times since 1977. Republicans, though, note that none of the changes rise to the level of today’s change.

    Senate approves nuclear option
    Stupid move, and Dems will be crying about the consequences of it soon enough.
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    all because republicans have blocked 82 Obama nominnees compared to only 86 from 43 previous Presidents--
    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Majority rule in congress is not in the constitution. And democracy does not mean majority rule, either. It simply means decision making according to one person one vote. We have plenty of things in this country which require more and less than a majority to pass.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Stupid move, and Dems will be crying about the consequences of it soon enough.
    Threating to use it in the future will come back to bite Republicans as well. When they do use it they will be accused of hypocrisy for opposing it today.

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