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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Sen. Grassley has given away the Republican hand many times, as he did today saying the GOP would extend this to SCOTUS justices..
    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Yes, its about time he stopped whining and finally did something.
    one man's accusation of whining is another man's used toilet paper..
    And so long as the Democrats don't tyranize the minority by stopping legitimate debate, I have no problem with it.
    only the GOP could think of a word like tyranny, just sayin
    HOWEVER, I think confirmation of nominees should require a supermajority, not simple majorities. If the two parties can not agree on something, it should not pass.
    is that supermajority in the constitution??
    don't you think the two parties have proven they cannot agree on anything or are you from the GOP of No
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    A pyrrhic victory which is a sign of democrat desperation. That they would do this now speaks volumes. Contention and obstruction has been the rule and bargaining chip the minority has cherished since the inception of our country in such matters. This changes a lot, and it doesn't bode well for the political left. Again. The trust of the American people has been squandered by the political left, and it has legs. Now, events such as Benghazi may take on new significance. I certainly hope so. A little truth would go a long way to restoring faith in our government.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    In other words, to the 40%, many of whom have TEAparty primaries forcing them to the lunatic rightist fringe..
    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Nominate people who are acceptable to the entire Senate, not just 51% of it.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Nominate people who are acceptable to the entire Senate, not just 51% of it.
    Is that even possible in our bifurcated world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    In other words, to the 40%, many of whom have TEAparty primaries forcing them to the lunatic rightist fringe..
    Correct, nominees who are representative of the entire country, not just the democrats.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    John Bolton is an excellent example of when blocking someone is the right thing to do.

    Bolton is a Neo-con loser and doesn't have a diplomatic bone in his body. He's a liar and a spinner and there is no place in the U.S. Government for him.
    sure would be kinda cool if there was a mechanism available where the minority voice might be able block such evil people from serving eh?

    oh well, Harry Reid, and every single Democrat here, believes the minority is irrelevant and shouldn't have a say.

    typical liberals, always wanting more and more power.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Is that even possible in our bifurcated world?
    Yes

    Debra Brown - confirmed Nov 4
    Madeline Hughes - confirmed Oct 14
    Todd Hughes - confirmed Sept 24
    Elaine Kaplain - confirmed Sept 17

    and 21 more judges who have been confirmed in just this year. Obama even touted his nominations a couple weeks ago

    "In addition to the Supreme Court, we’ve been able to nominate and confirm judges of extraordinary quality all across the country on federal benches. We’re actually, when it comes to the district court, matching the pace of previous presidents. When it comes to the appellate court, we’re just a little bit behind, and we’re just going to keep on focused on it.”

    http://nypost.com/2013/11/21/1704907/

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    and we Democrats thank you republicans for over-reaching one too many times--
    to the 40% who have just been saying NO since Obama--
    86 total nominees have been filibustered on 43 previous presidents--a mere 82 for Obama--
    actions speak louder than words, and Americans will watch this anti-Obama everything for the next 11 months--
    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Correct, nominees who are representative of the entire country, not just the democrats.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Tell that to Mark Begich of Alaska, Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Max Baucus of Montana and Kay Hagan of North Carolina. They are Democratic senators from states that Romney won.
    Any crazy left wing radical that got their approval to serve on the courts would surely come back to haunt them in any re-election bid.
    Naturally cabinet members are likely to be more politically partisan and many of the President's nominations were of people who could only be called conservative.
    Name one court nomination that could be classed a "radical" by any sense of the word.
    Kagen. She currently sits on the high court and all those folks you mentioned voted to allow it.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Again, what you're talking about is forcing a "win" where no win could otherwise exist. Some times in life nobody wins and when that happens everyone needs to go back and reevaluate how they can address the disagreement.

    Look at it this way:
    You've got an intersection in town where accidents are more frequent than at other intersections. Half of the city council wants to put in a roundabout which will cost $5 Million and the other half of the council wants to put in speed cameras to raise revenues and serve as an additional deterrent to blowing the light. The roundabout people are opposed to the cameras because they believe it's a violation of privacy and the camera people are opposed to the roundabout because of the cost. Nobody is budging on their position.

    The options are:
    1. Force a decision by "going nuclear"
    2. Never make a decision
    3. Go back to the drawing board and see if there is another solution

    If they use option #1 that's setting up more pissing contests in the future. If they choose option #2 then more accidents happen and people die. But if they choose option #3 maybe they can come up with another idea such as extending the yellow light or increasing police presence at that intersection.
    Your scenario calls for half and half.. not 59% 39%... and that is considered a tie in the senate today.
    If the founders believed that simple majority rule wasn't good enough for making decisions they would have provided a more complex solution to a senatorial tie than the Vice President's tie breaking vote.
    The filibuster is an accidental loophole of the senate rules that has been taken advantage of by both sides since 1806. It was never intentional and has no foundation in the constitution.
    If third solutions can be found in compromise or tangential thinking, then either side can still make them without the need for a three fifths stalemate.

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