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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, one liberal I saw interviewed after the "nuclear option" was voted on said that even though they aren't going to get any of their agenda through at least if they can get all their liberal judges appointed then their agenda will be pushed through the courts. That's a great way to respect democracy. Fill the courts with liberal toadies uninterested in administering the law but making it.
    What is the alternative? Wait until a Republican is elected and then push Conservative Toadies into the courts? Are all judges "toadies"? No free thinkers? No constitutional guidelines?

    If you listen to extremists from either party, you will give up all hope for America. But look, we're still standing after ll this time. Things balance out in due course.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Pick virtually any name from his cabinet for nominated radicals and it's absolute BS that so-called moderate dems would deny any party appointee.
    Name three that are radical.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    I think it's a good idea and I hope they extend it to all senate votes in the future. If a supermajority of 60 was intended to be required to approve everything the senate did, the constitution would have been written that way.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    I'm sure that the founders did not intend that minority parties should rule by obstruction either.
    The constitution calls for majority rule in the Senate... not stalemate by minority obstruction.
    Besides we are talking about non-SC appointees only. They can still have their conformation hearings and grilling before the cameras to make their case.
    If their points are valid then only a very few minds need to be changed to deny an appointment.
    No one is "ruling" by mob rule as the word implies.
    Governance continues as planned.
    Again, what you're talking about is forcing a "win" where no win could otherwise exist. Some times in life nobody wins and when that happens everyone needs to go back and reevaluate how they can address the disagreement.

    Look at it this way:
    You've got an intersection in town where accidents are more frequent than at other intersections. Half of the city council wants to put in a roundabout which will cost $5 Million and the other half of the council wants to put in speed cameras to raise revenues and serve as an additional deterrent to blowing the light. The roundabout people are opposed to the cameras because they believe it's a violation of privacy and the camera people are opposed to the roundabout because of the cost. Nobody is budging on their position.

    The options are:
    1. Force a decision by "going nuclear"
    2. Never make a decision
    3. Go back to the drawing board and see if there is another solution

    If they use option #1 that's setting up more pissing contests in the future. If they choose option #2 then more accidents happen and people die. But if they choose option #3 maybe they can come up with another idea such as extending the yellow light or increasing police presence at that intersection.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Harry Reid finally comes through

    The Senate has voted to change its rules so that a simple majority is required to confirm judicial nominations and executive branch picks — the so-called “nuclear option.”
    The final vote was 52-48. The previous threshold was 60 votes to bring such nominations to a final up-or-down vote.
    “The threshold for cloture on nominations not including the Supreme Court, is now a majority,” Sen Pat Leahy (D-Vt.), the Senate president pro temp, declared after the vote.
    Three Democrats voted with Republicans against the change: Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Mark Pryor (D-Ark.). Levin is a longtime senator; Manchin and Pryor come from red states.
    Shortly after the vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) office sent around a memo noting that the Senate has changed its procedures using a majority vote 18 times since 1977. Republicans, though, note that none of the changes rise to the level of today’s change.

    Senate approves nuclear option
    Yes, its about time he stopped whining and finally did something. And so long as the Democrats don't tyranize the minority by stopping legitimate debate, I have no problem with it. HOWEVER, I think confirmation of nominees should require a supermajority, not simple majorities. If the two parties can not agree on something, it should not pass.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Finally the Senate is a step closer to it's constitutional mandate which reserves super majorities for specific things, not everything.

    He should've done this 3 years ago.
    Ah, where is this mandate in the constitution?

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Name three that are radical.
    Cass Sunstein
    Mark Lloyd
    Susan Rice
    David Axelrod
    Carol Browner
    Preeta Bansal
    Cecilia Munoz
    Melody Barnes

    Btw, there's more.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    What is the alternative? Wait until a Republican is elected and then push Conservative Toadies into the courts? Are all judges "toadies"? No free thinkers? No constitutional guidelines?

    If you listen to extremists from either party, you will give up all hope for America. But look, we're still standing after ll this time. Things balance out in due course.

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    Nominate people who are acceptable to the entire Senate, not just 51% of it.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I think it's a good idea and I hope they extend it to all senate votes in the future. If a supermajority of 60 was intended to be required to approve everything the senate did, the constitution would have been written that way.
    If that's the case, then if a simple majority was intended to be required to approve everything the senate did, the constitution would have been written that way as well.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Pick virtually any name from his cabinet for nominated radicals and it's absolute BS that so-called moderate dems would deny any party appointee.
    Tell that to Mark Begich of Alaska, Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Max Baucus of Montana and Kay Hagan of North Carolina. They are Democratic senators from states that Romney won.
    Any crazy left wing radical that got their approval to serve on the courts would surely come back to haunt them in any re-election bid.
    Naturally cabinet members are likely to be more politically partisan and many of the President's nominations were of people who could only be called conservative.
    Name one court nomination that could be classed a "radical" by any sense of the word.

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