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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Ummm... before you start drooling over "terrible revenge" ...We are talking about non-Supreme Court presidential appointments only.
    The republicon obstructionists are still free to filibuster any and all legislation, all day long if they want.
    Ummm, I'm not drooling, just trying to hold and intelligent and analytical discussion. It don't make me no nevermind but I thank you for that clarification. I'm actually not pleased that our government is so divided and I don't agree with holding up ANY appointments unless it can be specifically demonstrated that the appointment itself is solely political and that judges and so forth can not be trusted to render impartial rulings.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Never heard the term before, I thought it meant being filmed
    Ok, that's fair - actually, it means that the meeting is held in private.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I had just heard that the Republican leadership in the House had vowed that if any bill passes the Senate without a 60 vote majority, it will not be taken up by the House. To use Harry Reid's term, it will be "dead on arrival".
    So is Mr. Ewer correct and this applies only to appointments? Or is it everything?

    .We are talking about non-Supreme Court presidential appointments only.
    The Republican's are still free to filibuster any and all legislation, all day long if they want.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Blocking three judicial apointeses to fill vacant seats on the d.c appellate court.
    When did these appointees leave committee? How long have they been waiting for a vote? The DC appellate court is unable to conduct business now or has been unable for a significant period of time?

    I think Ocean makes a fair point. This does have a bit of a smell of wag-the-dog-ism.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    So is Mr. Ewer correct and this applies only to appointments? Or is it everything?
    This rule change was only applied to non-supreme court appointees.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Thankfully.

    Reid did this to himself. If you plan on undermining the very fabric of our nation by killing the system of checks and balances, be prepared to deal with the consequences of said actions. He had zero foresight, in typical leftist knee-jerk reaction he ran with a completely idiotic plan, and now he's going to have a solid 2 years of absolutely zero movement. Congrats harry, you've effectively neutered the administration and the senate. High five.

    And....don't complain when GOP/Libertarians (which I do believe will come around in 2 years time) take the reins and utilize Harrys new rules. Two way street my friend.
    Calm down ... An unintentional loophole in senatorial procedural rules is hardly "the very fabric of our nation"... Originally the senate could bring an end to floor debate on any bill with a simple majority. Just like the house still does.
    They are going back to that procedural rule on non-Supreme Court appointments only.
    That's all.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    No ... It means media circus.
    There's an old saying - to paraphrase, "keeping silent and people thinking you're not intelligent is preferable to opening your mouth and removing all doubt".
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Freedom from total obstruction is governance.
    We aren't talking about the end of all opposition. Republicons can still debate a nominees qualifications and if their points are valid minds can still be changed.
    Not many minds need to be changed to deny a nominee their appointment.
    They can't just delay forever and for no reason.
    A lot closer to democracy than to anarchistic obstruction IMHO.
    In my opinion you are equating "governing" with "ruling". If one party in a dispute is adamant about their position and the other party is adamant about theirs and no prospect of agreement can be seen on the horizon then both parties need to step back. The idea that one or the other should "win" is unrealistic.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    So is Mr. Ewer correct and this applies only to appointments? Or is it everything?
    At the current time, it was only for non-SC presidential nominations, but the suggestion was floated that Reid would now move to include "important" legislation - thus the threat from the House.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Harry Reid finally comes through

    The Senate has voted to change its rules so that a simple majority is required to confirm judicial nominations and executive branch picks — the so-called “nuclear option.”
    The final vote was 52-48. The previous threshold was 60 votes to bring such nominations to a final up-or-down vote.
    “The threshold for cloture on nominations not including the Supreme Court, is now a majority,” Sen Pat Leahy (D-Vt.), the Senate president pro temp, declared after the vote.
    Three Democrats voted with Republicans against the change: Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Mark Pryor (D-Ark.). Levin is a longtime senator; Manchin and Pryor come from red states.
    Shortly after the vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) office sent around a memo noting that the Senate has changed its procedures using a majority vote 18 times since 1977. Republicans, though, note that none of the changes rise to the level of today’s change.

    Senate approves nuclear option
    At last democrats have gotten off their wimpy butts to take a stand.

    It's about time.

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