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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Show me where the filibuster was written into the US Constitution. It isn't. In fact, the filibuster was not used for several years after the founding of our nation. It was instituted by a vote on the rules in the Senate. Now the Constitution DOES have something to say about that....


    Nothing unconstitutional or illegal was done today.
    No, not unconstitution as you stated. The filibuster rule was instituted in 1806. That is a long history to be overturned. But the precedence has been set. From on now regardless of which party has the majority in the senate, if the majority leader wants to get something through the senate, passed and the filibuster is holding it up. All that senate majority leader has to do is point to Senator Reid and cite 21 Nov 2013 and use the nuclear option to get his piece of legislation passed whatever it is. One of the checks and balance of over reaching power, especially if one party holds both chambers and the presidency has been lost. Now do not holler if for example the GOP were to gain control of both chambers of congress and the presidency in 2016, if they use the nuclear option to repeal, say Obamacare, lower tax rates, etc that the Democrats could have stopped with the use of the filibusters. Setting precedents has consequences.

    I hope cooler heads prevail, but in today's poisonous political atmosphere in Washington, I really doubt that it will.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Do you believe that they were elected to stop all legislative activity,... or were they elected to govern?
    Depends on their individual constituencies. Some want congress to stop passing new law and busy themselves fixing the stuff already on the books.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This will give you a good idea:
    Actually, the issue was not that the Republicans were filibuster happy, it was simply that Harry Reid calls a cloture vote on every damn thing for no reason at all.

    I did the math here.

    What the numbers show is that Harry Reid really really really hates floor debates.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Do you believe that they were elected to stop all legislative activity,... or were they elected to govern?
    They were elected to represent the interests of those who chose them. If those interests end up being contrary to the interests of some other group then it's reasonable to expect disagreement.

    You liberals need to understand that freedom from opposition isn't freedom at all, it's tyranny.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    So much for protect minority rights, perhaps the dems only protect minority rights when it suits them to do so.
    We are moving closer and closer to rule by the majority and a direct democracy.
    Where 50% plus 1 vote can have their way over the other 50% less 1 vote. I am disappointed, but not surprised or shocked. This is just another precedence set by a Democrat that those very same Democrats will come back hollering at the top of their lungs when in the majority, the Republicans return the favor.

    Bask in the glory is all I can say, because what goes around will come around. I would say as of today the Republican's have a 50-50 shot at gaining control of the Senate in 2014. It looks like Montana, West Virginia, South Dakota and Arkansas will change from Dem to Rep, then 2 of 3 of the following states, NC, AK and LA would give them control. These last three are in the toss up column today whereas the other 4 are in the lean Rep column. Interesting, I wonder how loud you will holler when the GOP uses Reid's precedence when they gain control? I fully expect you to support them in the same manner you are supporting Reid today. To do otherwise would be hypercritical and just show one is playing petty politics.

    In reality, this single vote doesn't bother me that much. I am just fearful of what will follow. I can see such things happening in the future if the GOP were to win the presidency in 2016 and gained the control of the senate of repealing the ACA by simple majority vote, by repealing the highest tax bracket by simple majority vote, by repealing any democratic legislation they don't like by simple majority vote. The precedence has been set.



    I have been saying for several years that if the GOP doesn't make some major changes in the way that it operates and attract more minority voters who will be the majority of the voters in the USA in about thirty years it will end up being reduced to a minor regional party with no national power.

    Not my problem.




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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    No, not unconstitution as you stated. The filibuster rule was instituted in 1806. That is a long history to be overturned. But the precedence has been set. From on now regardless of which party has the majority in the senate, if the majority leader wants to get something through the senate, passed and the filibuster is holding it up. All that senate majority leader has to do is point to Senator Reid and cite 21 Nov 2013 and use the nuclear option to get his piece of legislation passed whatever it is. One of the checks and balance of over reaching power, especially if one party holds both chambers and the presidency has been lost. Now do not holler if for example the GOP were to gain control of both chambers of congress and the presidency in 2016, if they use the nuclear option to repeal, say Obamacare, lower tax rates, etc that the Democrats could have stopped with the use of the filibusters. Setting precedents has consequences.

    I hope cooler heads prevail, but in today's poisonous political atmosphere in Washington, I really doubt that it will.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    They were elected to represent the interests of those who chose them. If those interests end up being contrary to the interests of some other group then it's reasonable to expect disagreement.

    You liberals need to understand that freedom from opposition isn't freedom at all, it's tyranny.
    What about representing the nation as a whole?
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I have been saying for several years that if the GOP doesn't make some major changes in the way that it operates and attract more minority voters who will be the majority of the voters in the USA in about thirty years it will end up being reduced to a minor regional party with no national power.

    Not my problem.




    "Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
    Not mine either as in 30 years I will no longer be walking this earth. But it would be nice if my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren were living under a nation of laws instead of living under the threat of a direct majority rule where anything goes with 50% plus one vote.It would be nice if checks and balance was still in place. But I, myself will not have to worry about it.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What about representing the nation as a whole?
    The nation is made up of millions of people with millions of different ideas, needs, desires, etc. There is no "one size fits all" solution.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are being facetious, right?
    Tell me more about Ambassador Bolton?



    John Bolton is an excellent example of when blocking someone is the right thing to do.

    Bolton is a Neo-con loser and doesn't have a diplomatic bone in his body. He's a liar and a spinner and there is no place in the U.S. Government for him.

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