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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Levin realizes this move may very well come back to bite them in the butt in the near future.



    Yes, but sometimes a man just has to do what a man has to do.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    True, but sometimes the Senate needs to get something done.
    If you change the rules at the beginning of a term or session, then you have legitimate grounds to say it is a bad rule. When you change rules so you can change a rule so you can get what you want today, you have screwed yourself for tomorrow, and that applies to both parties, and no, the Senate did not need to get anything done. The GOP had agreed to give the DNC 1 of the 3 vacancies on a less than busy circuit and that wasn't good enough for Harry Reid.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Out of curiosity, if the GOP "has done nothing" then why does Obama keep calling them "obstructionists"?
    This will give you a good idea:


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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No I am not. What did he vow to them?
    If I'm not mistaken, Senator Graham has indicated he would put a hold on any Obama nominee in committee until such time as the administration releases to congress the transcripts of the FBI interviews of the Benghazi survivors and allows congress to interview them as well. To date, the administration has objected, likely fearing the truth on the ground blows up their storyline.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    There should be no reason to require 60+ votes for a Presidential nomination. NONE. Finally Harry Reid had the balls to tell the Republicans to stick it where the sun doesn't shine.



    Any Senator who can't deal with this should go home and stay there.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    I see this action as an indication that Reid knows he's going to lose the Senate next year. I think he figures it's better to get what he wants now (or as much as he can) before he's dumped into minority status.
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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I get what you're saying but it could go either way. Most folks who oppose this rule change do so along party/ideological lines. Moreover, they're expecting some payback should the GOP remain control of the Senate in the near future. Ghe mindset being "Republicans will use a simple majority vote to push through nominees of their own". Well, what's to say they (or either party) wouldn't use a simple majority to still block a presidential nominee from the opposing party? It could work both ways.

    Frankly, I think this rule change in the Senate is long overdue. Too much gridlock for no other reason than to carry forward with party/ideological grandstanding.
    To block a nomination with a simple majority a party must have control of the senate or at least 51 senators and is no longer the minority party. Now if the Republicans gain the senate in 2014, then a simple majority is just as good as a majority of 60 to invoke cloture. We're talking minority party rights which means they have 49 senators or less.

    Granted this particular nuclear option was on just judicial nominees as I understand. But the precedence has been set for which ever party has control of the senate, to invoke that option to avoid or do away with the filibuster. There is nothing that says now that the cat is out of the bag that this nuclear option can't be used on other things at the sole discretion of the senate majority leader, who ever he is or from what ever party.

    John Adams when discussing American ideals said we are "A nation of laws, not of men." But I fear this change disregarded the laws and rules and was made for the "Man." That this puts us on the slippery slope of changing this nation from the rule of law to the rule of "The Man."

    I may be wrong, I hope so. But unless a rule change like this is bipartisan it smacks of the rule of man over the rule of law and rules.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Republicons regaining control of the senate?
    Ha ...you can't gerrymander a state.
    Republicons sealed their doom with the last shutdown.
    No they didn't. Obama is about to discover how many democrats don't want Mexicans here either.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And when you lose both houses and the presidency soon, I don't want to hear a thing from you. Paybacks are hell.



    I don't believe that is going to happen, but if it does we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

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    Re: Senate approves nuclear option

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This will give you a good idea:
    So rather than "doing nothing" they have done exactly what they were elected to do.

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