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    Senate Democrats Poised to Block Filibusters of Presidential Picks

    WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats are on the verge of moving to eliminate the use of the filibuster against most presidential nominees, aides and senior party leaders said Wednesday, a move that would deprive Republicans of their ability to block President Obama’s picks for cabinet posts and the federal judiciary and further erode what little bipartisanship still exists in the Senate.
    Democrats in the Senate are not only poised to unleash the nuclear option on filibusters. They are doing it now, at this very minute. You can watch it as it happens on C-Span 2.

    Here's the deal. When Bush was in office, he threatened to unleash the nuclear option. Why? Because his candidates were all qualified, and most of them were very good choices. Same is true of Obama's candidates. Yes, they are politically to the center-left, but no Republican has said that they were not qualified. So abuse of the filibuster is about to end for presidential nominees. I agree with this. The filibuster cannot be abused for the purpose of obstruction. Period.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Poised to Block Filibusters of Presidential Picks

    I'm pretty sure that neither President Bush was ever in the Senate, so he had no access to any nuclear option but the really big one (kaboom!).

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    Re: Senate Democrats Poised to Block Filibusters of Presidential Picks

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I'm pretty sure that neither President Bush was ever in the Senate, so he had no access to any nuclear option but the really big one (kaboom!).
    The Republican party controlled the Senate at that time, and yes, Bush DID threaten the nuclear option. In the end, there was a compromise and Bush's picks were confirmed.
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    Re: Senate Democrats Poised to Block Filibusters of Presidential Picks

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The filibuster cannot be abused for the purpose of obstruction. Period.
    There can be no use of a filibuster EVER without the purpose being obstruction so there is no use that is not an abuse if that is your position.


    BTW the "nuclear" option is what rational people call the "Constitutional" option--it just doesn't sound as pornographic....and what goes around comes around. Hope the democrats enjoy all the crazy right wing judicial nominees that will be put on the bench by President Santorum when the filibuster ends, and please, the federal judiciary has not been fully staffed for decades due to obstructionism on BOTH sides of the aisle. Stop pretending this is something new.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Poised to Block Filibusters of Presidential Picks

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Democrats in the Senate are not only poised to unleash the nuclear option on filibusters. They are doing it now, at this very minute. You can watch it as it happens on C-Span 2.

    Here's the deal. When Bush was in office, he threatened to unleash the nuclear option. Why? Because his candidates were all qualified, and most of them were very good choices. Same is true of Obama's candidates. Yes, they are politically to the center-left, but no Republican has said that they were not qualified. So abuse of the filibuster is about to end for presidential nominees. I agree with this. The filibuster cannot be abused for the purpose of obstruction. Period.

    Article is here.
    Wrong on two points.

    First Republicans are trying to stop Obama from stuff the DC court by expanding the number of judges on it.

    Changing the rules for filibuster is really making a radical change in the way this country runs. You can only think this is a good idea if you believe we should do away with the 10th amendment.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Poised to Block Filibusters of Presidential Picks

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Wrong on two points.

    First Republicans are trying to stop Obama from stuff the DC court by expanding the number of judges on it.

    Changing the rules for filibuster is really making a radical change in the way this country runs. You can only think this is a good idea if you believe we should do away with the 10th amendment.
    Not a shred of truth to your first point. Nobody is packing the court. These are already existing vacancies:

    Vacancies and pending nominations
    Seat* Seat Last Held By* Vacancy Reason* Date of Vacancy* Nominee* Date of Nomination
    6* John Roberts* Elevation to Supreme Court* September 25, 2005* Patricia Millett* June 4, 2013
    2* Douglas H. Ginsburg* Senior status* October 14, 2011* Nina Pillard* June 4, 2013
    4 * David B. Sentelle* Senior status* February 12, 2013* Robert L. Wilkins* June 4, 2013

    As to your second point, if the process is repeatedly abused, then it is appropriate to do away with said process.
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    Re: Senate Democrats Poised to Block Filibusters of Presidential Picks

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The Republican party controlled the Senate at that time, and yes, Bush DID threaten the nuclear option. In the end, there was a compromise and Bush's picks were confirmed.
    Can you provide a link to where either Bush made such a threat? This is a rule of the Senate.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Poised to Block Filibusters of Presidential Picks

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Can you provide a link to where either Bush made such a threat? This is a rule of the Senate.
    I'll be glad to do your homework for you.

    GOP eyes 'nuclear option' for judges

    In the nuclear option — some supporters call it the “constitutional” option — Frist would push through a rules change that would eliminate Senate filibusters for judicial nominees.

    Democrats have been using filibuster threats, a promise to stall a nomination through extended debate, on 10 Bush judicial nominees. Such a threat requires 60 votes to overcome. The Senate did confirm 204 of the president’s 214 trial and appellate judicial nominees.
    Sound familiar? Only difference is that, this time, there was no compromise agreed to, so the nuclear option was invoked.
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    Re: Senate Democrats Poised to Block Filibusters of Presidential Picks

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Not a shred of truth to your first point. Nobody is packing the court. These are already existing vacancies:

    Vacancies and pending nominations
    Seat* Seat Last Held By* Vacancy Reason* Date of Vacancy* Nominee* Date of Nomination
    6* John Roberts* Elevation to Supreme Court* September 25, 2005* Patricia Millett* June 4, 2013
    2* Douglas H. Ginsburg* Senior status* October 14, 2011* Nina Pillard* June 4, 2013
    4 * David B. Sentelle* Senior status* February 12, 2013* Robert L. Wilkins* June 4, 2013

    As to your second point, if the process is repeatedly abused, then it is appropriate to do away with said process.
    I think you are mistaken. My understanding is that Obama is trying to add to the number of judges on the DC circuit.

    On the second point, every side feels it the other abuses this rule.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Poised to Block Filibusters of Presidential Picks

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I think you are mistaken. My understanding is that Obama is trying to add to the number of judges on the DC circuit.

    On the second point, every side feels it the other abuses this rule.
    Nope - Seats 2, 4, and 6 were all vacancies of existing seats.
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