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    Re: Here we go again ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Sorry ... Zimmerman got away with murder and I do not think it was racist yet rather a personality disorder and criminal mind with little conscience.

    What do you think of his latest antics?

    I’d hate to be a former Zimmerman juror today - Salon.com
    The evidence pointed to Zimm being innocent in the Trayvon case. The jury got that one right.

    On the current situation? I believe he did it, will be found guilty and likely face some serious jail time.

    I wonder if the most current situation would have occurred if not for the Trayvon martin killing and subsequent trial.

    The GF says he has been very depressed and changed completely after the trial.

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    He was not found "innocent" he was found "not guilty". The difference is substantial. Innocence implies actual, factual innocence. Not guilty means that the state failed to meet the high standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It puzzles me that some of the same people who oppose the death penalty because "you can never be sure" seem very sure about Zimmerman's guilt.

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    Re: Here we go again ...

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It puzzles me that some of the same people who oppose the death penalty because "you can never be sure" seem very sure about Zimmerman's guilt.
    Outstanding point.

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    Re: Here we go again ...

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Outstanding point.
    Thank you. I like to think I have my moments. Welcome to the forum, btw.

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    Re: Here we go again ...

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    He was not found "innocent" he was found "not guilty". The difference is substantial. Innocence implies actual, factual innocence. Not guilty means that the state failed to meet the high standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It puzzles me that some of the same people who oppose the death penalty because "you can never be sure" seem very sure about Zimmerman's guilt.
    The "you can never be sure" axiom applies to a broad view of trials and the death penalty in general. One can still hold to the opinion that someone may in fact be guilty.

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    Re: Here we go again ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The "you can never be sure" axiom applies to a broad view of trials and the death penalty in general. One can still hold to the opinion that someone may in fact be guilty.
    By "broad view" you mean a composite of non existant cases and it's true, it's difficult to be sure when dealing with anything that's just a hypothetical. Start applying real situations and facts and you start to see that it's possible to be quite sure.

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    Re: Here we go again ...

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    By "broad view" you mean a composite of non existant cases
    What do you mean, "non existent cases?" The "you can never be sure" principle comes from the fact that verdicts have been reversed due to new evidence. It didn't pop out of someone's ass for no reason.

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    Re: Here we go again ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What do you mean, "non existent cases?" The "you can never be sure" principle comes from the fact that verdicts have been reversed due to new evidence. It didn't pop out of someone's ass for no reason.
    Can you point to any "Not Guilty" verdict being reversed? And if there are, the stats regarding such a reversal?






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    Re: Here we go again ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Can you point to any "Not Guilty" verdict being reversed? And if there are, the stats regarding such a reversal?






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    Re: Here we go again ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Shh. Adults are talking.
    Yes, and you were not one of them.
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