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    Pa. pastor suspended for performing gay wedding says he’ll be ‘outspoken advocate’ for LGBT - The Washington Post

    SPRING CITY, Pa. — Frank Schaefer gets to keep calling himself a Methodist pastor — at least for the next 30 days.
    The United Methodist clergyman convicted of breaking church law for officiating at his son’s same-sex wedding was suspended late Tuesday, and ordered by a jury of his fellow pastors to surrender his credentials in a month if he can’t bring himself to adhere to the laws of the church’s Book of Discipline.


    Schaefer said he had no intention of changing his mind about the church’s teaching on homosexuality, declaring he would perform more gay marriages if asked.
    “I feel I have to be an advocate, an outspoken advocate for all lesbian, gay, transgender and bisexual people,” Schaefer told reporters after learning his sentence, adding that he expects to be defrocked when his 30-day suspension is up.
    Before the punishment was announced, Schaefer, who was convicted for presiding over his son’s 2007 wedding ceremony in Massachusetts, told the jury that he is unrepentant.
    Rather than beg for mercy, the pastor upped the stakes.
    The church “needs to stop judging people based on their sexual orientation,” he told jurors. “We have to stop the hate speech. We have to stop treating them as second-class Christians.”
    back up links:
    Minister who married gay son becoming gay rights activist - CBS News
    Pastor Frank Schaefer gets 30-day suspension for officiating gay son
    Pa. Pastor Who Performed Gay Wedding Suspended | TIME.com
    Pastor who married gay son suspended--with a catch | MSNBC
    Gay Marriage Pastor Suspended For 30 Days - Philadelphia News, Weather and Sports from WTXF FOX 29
    Pa. Methodist pastor convicted under church law of officiating gay wedding suspended 30 days - The Washington Post


    AWESOME!!!!!

    good for pastor Frank Schaefer for standing up for his son and what he believes is right.

    Also be clear, i also FULLY support the church's right to suspend him etc. That is their right and thier choice, they are free and clear to make it.
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    Re: Pa. pastor suspended for performing gay wedding says he’ll be ‘outspoken advocate

    Excellent! The man should be awarded a medal not canned. I'm curious though, at the end of the month, what if he refuses to give up his pastorship? I mean they can keep him from having a congregation, for a while anyway, by kicking out of a particular church, but can they revoke his credentials in such a way as to matter to the state that already recognizes him as a pastor? I didn't think that was possible. So perhaps he should just re-congregate with like minded parishioners
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    Re: Pa. pastor suspended for performing gay wedding says he’ll be ‘outspoken advocate

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Excellent! The man should be awarded a medal not canned. I'm curious though, at the end of the month, what if he refuses to give up his pastorship? I mean they can keep him from having a congregation, for a while anyway, by kicking out of a particular church, but can they revoke his credentials in such a way as to matter to the state that already recognizes him as a pastor? I didn't think that was possible. So perhaps he should just re-congregate with like minded parishioners
    hmmm thats a good question, i honestly dont know

    but you are right there are 100s of churches and millions of people that are fine with his conduct so

    I havent read all the articles yet, ill let you know if i come across anything that answers that.
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    Re: Pa. pastor suspended for performing gay wedding says he’ll be ‘outspoken advocate

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Excellent! The man should be awarded a medal not canned. I'm curious though, at the end of the month, what if he refuses to give up his pastorship? I mean they can keep him from having a congregation, for a while anyway, by kicking out of a particular church, but can they revoke his credentials in such a way as to matter to the state that already recognizes him as a pastor? I didn't think that was possible. So perhaps he should just re-congregate with like minded parishioners
    Basically what they will remove is his credentials as established through the Methodist Church. He is then free to go preach at any non-denominational church that will have him, but no longer for the UMC.

    Really, he should go ahead and turn them in, he's announced that he has no intention to fall back under the Book of Discipline. Frankly his behavior has been, well, embarrassing. One of the things that has (usually) hallmarked the Methodist Church is that we are a "paragraph-answer" faith, with the ability to speak with love to those with whom we disagree. This guy.... hasn't managed that, and has demonstrated the same kind of emotional immaturity in the discussion as we would expect from a grandstander .

    My additional critique of this guy is the same as my critique of Rob Portman - if you change your beliefs when they become personally inconvenient then you don't really have "beliefs". You have "preferences".

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    Re: Pa. pastor suspended for performing gay wedding says he’ll be ‘outspoken advocate

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Basically what they will remove is his credentials as established through the Methodist Church. He is then free to go preach at any non-denominational church that will have him, but no longer for the UMC.

    Really, he should go ahead and turn them in, he's announced that he has no intention to fall back under the Book of Discipline. Frankly his behavior has been, well, embarrassing. One of the things that has (usually) hallmarked the Methodist Church is that we are a "paragraph-answer" faith, with the ability to speak with love to those with whom we disagree. This guy.... hasn't managed that, and has demonstrated the same kind of emotional immaturity in the discussion as we would expect from a grandstander .

    My additional critique of this guy is the same as my critique of Rob Portman - if you change your beliefs when they become personally inconvenient then you don't really have "beliefs". You have "preferences".
    Is this opposite day or WTF!!!! I don't believe he could've shown more love with those the UMC disagrees than to wed to who love each other. How is being loving and caring to his son, not in that vein? It seems to me that it's the gang who's trying to oust him that have problems "with love to those with whom we disagree."
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    Re: Pa. pastor suspended for performing gay wedding says he’ll be ‘outspoken advocate

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Basically what they will remove is his credentials as established through the Methodist Church. He is then free to go preach at any non-denominational church that will have him, but no longer for the UMC.

    Really, he should go ahead and turn them in, he's announced that he has no intention to fall back under the Book of Discipline. Frankly his behavior has been, well, embarrassing. One of the things that has (usually) hallmarked the Methodist Church is that we are a "paragraph-answer" faith, with the ability to speak with love to those with whom we disagree. This guy.... hasn't managed that, and has demonstrated the same kind of emotional immaturity in the discussion as we would expect from a grandstander .

    My additional critique of this guy is the same as my critique of Rob Portman - if you change your beliefs when they become personally inconvenient then you don't really have "beliefs". You have "preferences".
    Is this opposite day or WTF!!!! I don't believe he could've shown more love with those the UMC disagrees than to wed two who love each other. How is being loving and caring to his son, not in that vein? It seems to me that it's the gang who's trying to oust him that have problems "with love to those with whom we disagree."

    If this posts twice, sorry. I can't seem to edit anymore with a double post. I've mentioned it in feedback, but I'm being mostly ignored it seems.
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    Re: Pa. pastor suspended for performing gay wedding says he’ll be ‘outspoken advocate

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    Is this opposite day or WTF!!!! I don't believe he could've shown more love with those the UMC disagrees than to wed to who love each other.


    He doesn't disagree with them. He was willing to violate his oaths and abuse the trust placed in him in order to support those whom he agreed with. He then accused the entire rest of the Church of "Hate Speech" for daring to disagree with him.

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    Re: Pa. pastor suspended for performing gay wedding says he’ll be ‘outspoken advocate

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1.) Basically what they will remove is his credentials as established through the Methodist Church. He is then free to go preach at any non-denominational church that will have him, but no longer for the UMC.

    2.) Really, he should go ahead and turn them in, he's announced that he has no intention to fall back under the Book of Discipline. Frankly his behavior has been, well, embarrassing.
    3.) One of the things that has (usually) hallmarked the Methodist Church is that we are a "paragraph-answer" faith, with the ability to speak with love to those with whom we disagree. This guy.... hasn't managed that, and has demonstrated the same kind of emotional immaturity in the discussion as we would expect from a grandstander .

    4.)My additional critique of this guy is the same as my critique of Rob Portman - if you change your beliefs when they become personally inconvenient then you don't really have "beliefs". You have "preferences".
    1.) why there are UMCs find with his conduct
    2.) its weird you are embarrassed by his behavior, why?
    3.) really? hmmm he kept quite about it for YEARS then when they put him on trail he spoke his piece, doesnt seem like grandstanding at all. No trail no speech.
    SInce he has 3 gays sons i think he is a pinnacle of acceptance and showing love to people that are directly against his own blood.

    could you point out what you think the grandstanding is and where he didnt show love and showed immaturity? I mean years of being around people that are directly against your blood and thier rights but yet he only spoke out now once on trial? seems mature to me but hey thats just my opinion.

    4.) when did his beliefs change? did he say that?
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    Re: Pa. pastor suspended for performing gay wedding says he’ll be ‘outspoken advocate

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Is this opposite day or WTF!!!! I don't believe he could've shown more love with those the UMC disagrees than to wed to who love each other. How is being loving and caring to his son, not in that vein? It seems to me that it's the gang who's trying to oust him that have problems "with love to those with whom we disagree."
    agreed 100%
    he has been fine with it for years until they put him on trial
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    Re: Pa. pastor suspended for performing gay wedding says he’ll be ‘outspoken advocate

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    He doesn't disagree with them. He was willing to violate his oaths and abuse the trust placed in him in order to support those whom he agreed with. He then accused the entire rest of the Church of "Hate Speech" for daring to disagree with him.
    really can you show us thats the reason why? seems you are just making stuff up. How do you know what motivated him to say that and what "speech" he was referring to?
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