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chromium said:

When in the past 2000 years has homosexuality ever been so accepted as it is now?

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In the first few centuries of that timeline. Homosexuality was part and parcel of the latter Roman Empire.

That's why all these folks who think that adopting sexual libertine values is "getting with the 21st century" are so entertaining to me. This isn't some "new" 21st Century. It's 1st and 2nd Century. The Church has been here before - :lol: the letters to the Corinthians didn't exactly come out of a vacuum.

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AGENT J said:

again 100% false
facts and reality still prove both of your posts wrong


until you can magically make the Methodist churches and their pastors who support gay marriage disappear your posts will always be false :shrug:

but just for fun next time im there ill tell them know you said they arent real Methodist churches or pastors lol

I have no clue why these facts and reality are so hard to understand

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Except nobody has said that, that's your strawman. Once again, has to do with ordination, NOT support of gay marriage. Should have stopped when you finally understood you have no clue.

Quite simply, those mthodist churches you see supporting gay marriage have methodist pastors that are ordained by the Council or Bishops. The Bishops obviously have not removed their ordination, so they are still methodist pastors.

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Naptyme said:

1.)My question is that if these churches you are talking about openly go against the teachings of said religion can you really say they are of that religion?

2.) If a group of people claim to be vegetarians but continually eat meat are they still considered vegetarian?

3.) The people of Westboro Baptist church come to mind, I doubt you will find any Baptists churches willing to associate with them.

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1.) and my question back would be why not and who says what the teaching of those religions factually are? How much is under the umbrella of Christianity? do they all teach and believe the same things?

when things do change in the church who makes those decisions?

why are parts of the bible or other religious books totally ignored and others are gospel?

I understand your question but my point is what are the facts, theres lots of christian churches that dont agree, yet they still say christian or what ever on the church, same for other religions, who am i to tell them? or who are they to tell me?

2.) a word and a religion are NOT the same, the definition of vegetarian is those who dont eat meat, seems hard to get around BUT lets look at your example or a WORD.

how many vegetarians still eat fish? eggs? etc etc many people have rules for their "vegetarianism"

how many people are pro-life up to 12 weeks, then people that only allow abortion in case of death of the mother or rape come along and say those people arent really pro-life, then the people that dont allow it for any reason come along and say THOSE people arent prolife etc etc

you are making my point about facts and reality for me

3.) yes you are probably right there are a lot of baptist that wont associate with them but notice how you still called them baptist?


point is there are Methodist churches that are ok with equal rights for gays and will do their marriages and welcome them in the church, i cant change this fact, you cant change this fact so how does anybody just magically say they arent real, not saying YOU did, just saying how do people even think thats possible.

Its takes a whole lot of ignorance and arrogance to think that decision can be made for those groups, again not saying you did this just pointing it out

its the same here with politics, people telling others you are not really a republican, democrat, liberal, conservative etc. Its all BS, people trying to put others done when they have zero ability and power too.

but it was a good question by the way

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clownboy said:

1.)Except nobody has said that, that's your strawman. Once again, has to do with ordination, NOT support of gay marriage.
2.) Should have stopped when you finally understood you have no clue.
3.) Quite simply, those mthodist churches you see supporting gay marriage have methodist pastors that are ordained by the Council or Bishops. The Bishops obviously have not removed their ordination, so they are still methodist pastors.

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1.) nop YOU said he cant me a pastor at those Methodist churches, thats false
2.) oh look a failed deflection and attempted and failed insult as usual when your posts fail, no surprise here. Facts still prove you wrong though.
3.) meanignless to the fact he can come here and be a pastor, something you said that cant happen and you are factually wrong

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cpwill said:

:shrug: I'm a United Methodist - I would disagree. Do you have any data on this?

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YOU need the proof not him, you made a bogus claim you cant back up

you claimed he accused the whole church of hate speech and thats a guess and even better you dont now what speech he was talking about. DId you read that in an article? maybe you are right id like to see the proof thats what he did

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clownboy said:

The 1300s, study some history. Why the heck do you think the catholic church put together a Bible and made satan front and center the big boogieman - to put butts in pews. Homosexuality has been largely ignored by many non-western culture throught the last 2000 years. But why the last two thousand years? Are you thinking that's the whole of human history?

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Because before Augustine and other busybodies, no one in the west really cared about it. The Greeks practiced it hard.

I would say from the Carolingian dynasty up to 12th century was more tolerant, but your problem is having to demonstrate why there would be a crackdown similar to the 1300s in the foreseeable future. They didn't have access to modern science indicating that homosexuality is inborn, nor a concept of it as we do today. All they had was however the church authority decided to deal with individual sex acts.