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    Re: Harry Reid is set to go nuclear

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    True, they are empty. Court packing, however, is a partisan effort to slant the court in one particular direction and not another, and has nothing to do at all with what's vacant and what isn't - something that been around as long as the republic. The big difference now is the partisanship attached to every single appointment, and especially the DC appeals court. Exactly how this came to be is a matter of endless blame and conjecture, but it looks as if this is an issue that's here to stay regardless of how this particular event is settled unless more reasonable minds hold sway.
    when people think of court packing, they remember FDR's attempted to increase the number of justices on the supreme court. what is going on now is not the same thing as what FDR did.
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    Re: Harry Reid is set to go nuclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Reid is getting played. Pretty dumb to bring this out when potentially in a year, he may not be in the majority anymore.
    I'm not so sure republicans can win back the senate....but if they did that would be poetic justice?

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    Re: Harry Reid is set to go nuclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    when people think of court packing, they remember FDR's attempted to increase the number of justices on the supreme court. what is going on now is not the same thing as what FDR did.
    Court packing is attempting to slant the court's predisposition to rule in a particular way through appointments, whether by increasing the number of judges or by filling vacancies. It has always been employed, but it has rarely had the impact it does now with hyper partisanship counting every perceived advantage or disadvantage. The type and nature of the cases likely to be heard also has an impact, which is again why the DC court is a focus of concern by both sides. Were the resident of the WH republican, we'd still be hearing about "court packing" with the vacancies at hand. It really doesn't matter how the perceived advantage is achieved. In this case, the GOP should tread lightly. They aren't. This will not work to their advantage, to our advantage, or to the advantage of the presidency in the future. I hope they re-think it.

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    Re: Harry Reid is set to go nuclear

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Court packing is attempting to slant the court's predisposition to rule in a particular way through appointments, whether by increasing the number of judges or by filling vacancies. It has always been employed, but it has rarely had the impact it does now with hyper partisanship counting every perceived advantage or disadvantage. The type and nature of the cases likely to be heard also has an impact, which is again why the DC court is a focus of concern by both sides. Were the resident of the WH republican, we'd still be hearing about "court packing" with the vacancies at hand. It really doesn't matter how the perceived advantage is achieved. In this case, the GOP should tread lightly. They aren't. This will not work to their advantage, to our advantage, or to the advantage of the presidency in the future. I hope they re-think it.
    are you saying those vacant seats on the d.c court should remain empty?
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    Re: Harry Reid is set to go nuclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Reid is getting played. Pretty dumb to bring this out when potentially in a year, he may not be in the majority anymore.
    This was my first thought too. However, I can't imagine that it crossed my mind, and not professional politicians with so many years in government. It's just not plausible to me, but hell... wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. That scenario seems far too obvious to be overlooked.

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    Re: Harry Reid is set to go nuclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    are you saying those vacant seats on the d.c court should remain empty?
    They could, but no, that's not what I'm saying. Obama should be given an up or down vote on his choices. That's an agreement that should be honored. The GOP should consider the longer term implications of continued obstruction in this matter. It's simply not worth the cost politically, and it's certainly not in the better interests of the public at large when those future considerations are weighed against a short term - I don't know what. There is no political victory to be had here that won't deliver a longer term failure both sides of the political aisle will decry, and for good reason.

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    Re: Harry Reid is set to go nuclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Singe View Post
    This was my first thought too. However, I can't imagine that it crossed my mind, and not professional politicians with so many years in government. It's just not plausible to me, but hell... wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. That scenario seems far too obvious to be overlooked.
    Two possible reasons. As someone has already mentioned, its saber rattling and the option is not really on the table. However, Reid has rattled that saber so many times over the last year, its become the "boy who cried wolf." Or, Reid may be considering the scorched earth approach and will do it just to get some of these nominations through if the writing on the wall is indeed a GOP take over of the Senate next year.

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    Re: Harry Reid is set to go nuclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Two possible reasons. As someone has already mentioned, its saber rattling and the option is not really on the table. However, Reid has rattled that saber so many times over the last year, its become the "boy who cried wolf." Or, Reid may be considering the scorched earth approach and will do it just to get some of these nominations through if the writing on the wall is indeed a GOP take over of the Senate next year.
    Maybe he knows the political climate is only going to worsen, and getting new powers for the next 12 months is worth it.

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    Re: Harry Reid is set to go nuclear

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Senator Harry Reid appears set to go nuclear — before Thanksgiving.

    With Senate Republicans blocking a third Obama nomination to the powerful D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, a senior Senate Democratic leadership aide tells me Reid is now all but certain to move to change the Senate rules by simple majority — doing away with the filibuster on executive and judicial nominations, with the exception of the Supreme Court – as early as this week.

    ...But now, Dems have already agreed not to change the rules once, and the filibustering continues, even though Republicans admitted when the last deal was reached that they were wrong to block Obama from staffing the government. And now, the GOP position is not grounded in an objection to Obama’s nominees or to the function of the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals; it’s grounded in the argument that Obama should not have the power to fill these vacancies on the court at all. As Jonathan Chait argues, Republicans may not have even thought through the full implications of the position they’ve adopted. But Dems have, and taking it to its logical conclusion, they believe Republicans have presented them with a simple choice: Either they change the rules, or they accept those limits on Obama’s power. And that really leaves only one option.

    Harry Reid is set to go nuclear

    I'm not sure either that Republicans have thought this through. Can someone explain why they're being so intransigent?

    In the linked article, Chaich argues that both sides are guilt of "hypocritically flip-flopping on the procedural question" but then says that the Republicans' attempts to diminish the President's appointment influence are a "constitutional affront."

    Senate Republicans: All Obama Judges Are Bad -- Daily Intelligencer

    What is the benefit to Republicans of Reid's exercising the "nuclear option"? I just don't see it...or how this playing of politics benefits "We, the people."
    No one would really know, but if I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd say that the Republicans expect to regain control of the Senate next year and they would not object to the Democrats eliminating the fillibuster for them so they would have no political damage after 2014 when they push through simple majority legislation that Harry Reid and Democrats would have fillibustered. Democrats would then have only themselves to blame, going forward.
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    Re: Harry Reid is set to go nuclear

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Reid keeps threatening this, but I doubt it will happen. It's more sabre rattling than anything else IMO.

    I just hope the GOP doesn't put up another candidate like Angle in 2016 so we can finally get rid of him in Nevada.
    Yes. Thank you fellow Nevadan. We have some intelligent moderates that could defeat Reid but they have to run THEM, not a TP wacko who hates ganbling

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