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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I don't recall debating anyone so misinformed. Fukushima was built with and inadequate seawall in a place that had stone tsunami markers identifying previous tsunami levels. These were ignored by the engineering geniuses with the hugely safe design parameters and cost effectiveness mitigating factors. Translated. Screw the people. If it happens we'll claim it was an unforeseeable act of nature and laugh all the way to the bank. Remember the stone tsunami markers. There are no excuses here. Right now the molten coriums from the three reactors are in unknown locations somewhere beneath their original locations. Most likely will cook their way into the underground flowing water that will cool them and send their deadly mother lode into the Pacific, slowly and deadly. Hubris and arrogance combine with greed to engineer a disaster of cataclysmic proportions. Yeh, them nukes gotta be wonderful stuff.
    You do know that around the would there are natural nuclear fission reactors that are completely uncontained right? They exist on almost every continent. In the US the nuclear fuel rods can be recycled, they are not due to regulations. When nuclear fuel is used it becomes depleted no longer highly radioactive. If it is highly radioactive it is not depleted and can be refined and used again.
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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    That's simply false... On all three counts.

    Which I could detail, but we all know your penchant for ignoring facts contrary to your opinions (like the link I provided saying there's already been a 28% surge in thyroid problems in north America that can be attributed to Fukushima.

    Even TMI had a cancer cluster of those exposed that was 7 times higher than the expected rates in the area... But of course, and as I pointed out, since the cancer might not show up for years after exposure it's easy to gloss over and pretend that no harm was done.



    One of three things happened:
    1) Some blog told you about this paper, with the "28%" "in North America" "attributable to Fukushima" interpretation. You accepted this interpretation without question, but knew I would be skeptical about a blog so just posted the paper. Without reading it.
    2) You did read the paper, or at least the abstract, and deliberately lied about it.
    3) You did read the paper, or at least the abstract, and your reading comprehension is appallingly bad.

    Tell me which one it is.

    (this paper does not say what you think it says)
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    One of three things happened:
    1) Some blog told you about this paper, with the "28%" "in North America" "attributable to Fukushima" interpretation. You accepted this interpretation without question, but knew I would be skeptical about a blog so just posted the paper. Without reading it.
    1- you defend the charge that you ignore facts that do not suit your opinions by admitting that you ignored the paper.

    An you were also wrong because it was an interview with the doctors involved in the study explaining their findings and discussing the paper that just got published in a journal of pediatrics.


    2) You did read the paper, or at least the abstract, and deliberately lied about it.
    Also false, had you even made it as far in your honest rebuttal to facts by even reading the one paragraph abstract, would have known that this is not a valid charge.


    3) You did read the paper, or at least the abstract, and your reading comprehension is appallingly bad.

    Tell me which one it is.

    (this paper does not say what you think it says)
    You didn't even read it, by your own admission.

    Tell me, what is it that you think this paper is saying and tell me what I said that was wrong about it??

    Oh and tell me, how many times greater than background levels was the exposure while you are at it?

    Of course, as usual, you will come back with more nonsense to cover for your deliberate ignorance.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The problem scenario is the accumulation of deadly waste, tons and tons and tons. I think there are 400 tons at Fukushima alone. The agents responsible for the permanent handling of this waste are CORPORATIONS. Corporations are a legal entity designed to minimize liability for the Corporations owners. They are in this business because they are making a large profit. When the profits stop, so do Corporations. They file bankruptcy. At that point the waste belongs to you, me, Grandma and the dog. Not to worry because the waste is only going to be really dangerous for half a million years or so. But, alas, no more profit, screw you, the waste is yours. Already, Japan is financing lots of cleanup at Fukushima. Nuclear Power is a welfare Industry. It is not bankable and it is not insurable. Potential liability confirmed by actuarial tables keep the insurance companies away and also keeps bankers away. Ergo, these Nukes are always built with "public" or taxpayer monies, but the taxpayers don't get the profit. The taxpayers will get the waste when the Corporate bankruptcy is filed. Standard Operating Procedure in the USA. Privatize (give to corporations) the profits and Socialize (baptize the taxpayer) the liabilities. You are watching this scenario everyday with the "too big to fail" banks. You cannot ruin the planet's water and air and not take responsibility for those actions. That is what all Nukes are about.
    LOL !!!!

    Too big to fail ? It's those bug meanie corporations fault that everything is wrong with everything isn't it ? You bitch about "Too Big to Fail" but don't say a stinking word about the 5 and half TRILLION in debt we just took on by putting Fannie and Freddie in Conservatorship.
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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    1- you defend the charge that you ignore facts that do not suit your opinions by admitting that you ignored the paper.

    An you were also wrong because it was an interview with the doctors involved in the study explaining their findings and discussing the paper that just got published in a journal of pediatrics.




    Also false, had you even made it as far in your honest rebuttal to facts by even reading the one paragraph abstract, would have known that this is not a valid charge.




    You didn't even read it, by your own admission.

    Tell me, what is it that you think this paper is saying and tell me what I said that was wrong about it??

    Oh and tell me, how many times greater than background levels was the exposure while you are at it?

    Of course, as usual, you will come back with more nonsense to cover for your deliberate ignorance.
    That paper did not attribute a 28% increase in thyroid problems across North America to Fukushima. That's not what it says. I'm sorry, there's nothing more I can do for you if your reading comprehension is that bad.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    LOL !!!!

    Too big to fail ? It's those bug meanie corporations fault that everything is wrong with everything isn't it ? You bitch about "Too Big to Fail" but don't say a stinking word about the 5 and half TRILLION in debt we just took on by putting Fannie and Freddie in Conservatorship.
    I just explained the Corporate legal structure, the reasons for it, and its' long and short term prognosis as related to profit. Where do you want your share of the nuclear waste delivered. Is your back yard OK? Keep in mind 99% reusable. It just can't be "too big to fail" eh? Get a little glow for your Corporate/Fascist/Industrial/Military/Nuclear cheerleaders. Free glow, even in the winter months and practically forever, from a human standpoint.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Also regarding Fukushima. The fuel rods are being removed from Unit number FOUR, and four did not have a meltdown and is the least contaminated of the four problem units. Units number 1, 2, and 3, suffered core meltdowns and are too hot to get near and they also have fuel storage pools. Gee, don't you wish I hadn't said that?

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    That paper did not attribute a 28% increase in thyroid problems across North America to Fukushima. That's not what it says. I'm sorry, there's nothing more I can do for you if your reading comprehension is that bad.
    #1 What it said was that there's a surge in airborne beta waves in the WEST COAST.... Not as your strawman claiming it was the whole of the us.

    2 they were examining trends in hyperthyroid in the wake of Fukushima.

    3 in the west coast (the area I specified), I-131 concentrations increased by 211%

    4- the areas of the west coast over the whole year studied was a 16% increase in the west coast compared to a 3% decrease in 36 other states compared to the rates of the previous year.

    5 the greatest divergence was a 28% divergence over march- June 2011.

    Now, I'm not sure what it was that you didn't read when you wrote this rebuttal, but it certainly wasn't the paper I had linked to...

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    #1 What it said was that there's a surge in airborne beta waves in the WEST COAST.... Not as your strawman claiming it was the whole of the us.

    2 they were examining trends in hyperthyroid in the wake of Fukushima.

    3 in the west coast (the area I specified), I-131 concentrations increased by 211%

    4- the areas of the west coast over the whole year studied was a 16% increase in the west coast compared to a 3% decrease in 36 other states compared to the rates of the previous year.

    5 the greatest divergence was a 28% divergence over march- June 2011.

    Now, I'm not sure what it was that you didn't read when you wrote this rebuttal, but it certainly wasn't the paper I had linked to...
    Um, Bman. You said North America.

    like the link I provided saying there's already been a 28% surge in thyroid problems in north America that can be attributed to Fukushima.
    The link doesn't say that. It doesn't even declare that any of the increase can be attributed to Fukushima. It says more research is required.

    What you did was pick the largest deviation mentioned and suggest that all of it was attributable to Fukushima, and implied it was for all of the continent.

    Funny that you didn't mention the states that had lower instances of thyroid problems.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Also regarding Fukushima. The fuel rods
    are being removed from Unit number FOUR, and four did not have a meltdown and is the least contaminated of the four problem units. Units number 1, 2, and 3, suffered core meltdowns and are too hot to get near and they also have fuel storage pools. Gee, don't you wish I hadn't said that?

    LOL !!

    No I enjoy when you post generic anti-corprate nonsense.

    It does wonders for your credibillity.

    And there were core meltdowns at Fukishima ?

    LOL !! SO ?!?

    What do you think is at the bottom of those containment vessels ? A black hole ? Satan ? "Godrilla" ??

    It's called CORIUM, and it's contained.

    Those containment vessels are designed to DILUTE molten core material so it can be retrieved and or contained.

    Just like at 3 mile Island and Chernobyl.

    I'll tell you what, ypu keep posting exposing your ignorance, and I'll continue to be amused by your generic cororate drek and lack of knowledge.

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