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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    In a manner of speaking. The Nuclear Industry is not bankable. IJt is completely subsidized by the taxpayers. The liability potential of disasters is and has been recognized as too great to make it a good investment. Ergo, all Nuclear Energy is gov't subsidized. The same monies should have gone into genuine renewable energy projects that would simultaneously mitigate Global Warming. The monies were derailed by Big Money lobbying, politicking, and MIC scheming to maintain the Centralized Distribution Network of electricity . This keeps the fat cats fat. Renewable Energy is fought at every turn because it hurts the fat cats of Centralized Distribution. Distributed Energies is old money networks maintaining the status quo at the expense of the citizens. Nukes are the worst manifestation of this greed at any cost. If that is personal, so be it, but I would view it as a financial analysis of why a problem persists. A really BIG problem, getting bigger.
    Renewable energy is, at this point a joke. We've wasted far too much throwing good money after bad. Nuclear energy is the cleanest for of energy that we got. And as far as the liability concerns, you know that France relies that most on Nuclear Energy. Never heard of an accident there. The worst we ever had here was three mile island that was more of a scare than an actual disaster. It's people in the "Green Movement" who can't learn to be pragmatist that are the environmentalist, and the countries, worst threat at this point to rebuilding a robust economy. If the green initiative was going to take off, it would of with T. Boone Pickens throwing a billion at it, or the untold millions or billions Obama has thrown at it.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Renewable energy is, at this point a joke. We've wasted far too much throwing good money after bad. Nuclear energy is the cleanest for of energy that we got. And as far as the liability concerns, you know that France relies that most on Nuclear Energy. Never heard of an accident there. The worst we ever had here was three mile island that was more of a scare than an actual disaster. It's people in the "Green Movement" who can't learn to be pragmatist that are the environmentalist, and the countries, worst threat at this point to rebuilding a robust economy. If the green initiative was going to take off, it would of with T. Boone Pickens throwing a billion at it, or the untold millions or billions Obama has thrown at it.
    Ah yes , of wise one. That is why Germany is 60% renewable. That would be Industrial Germany, the most prolific manufacturer in the EU. If it works in Germany the only thing that could prevent it working in the USA is conspiring to prevent it. Wake Sleeping Buddha. Smell the peas as they're in blossom.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Renewable energy is, at this point a joke. We've wasted far too much throwing good money after bad. Nuclear energy is the cleanest for of energy that we got. And as far as the liability concerns, you know that France relies that most on Nuclear Energy. Never heard of an accident there. The worst we ever had here was three mile island that was more of a scare than an actual disaster. It's people in the "Green Movement" who can't learn to be pragmatist that are the environmentalist, and the countries, worst threat at this point to rebuilding a robust economy. If the green initiative was going to take off, it would of with T. Boone Pickens throwing a billion at it, or the untold millions or billions Obama has thrown at it.
    Nonsense. Pickens was trying to corner the market and set up central distribution that all paid back to him. Obama just foolishly spent as PR. There has been a marked increase of off the grid living whether complete or partial. NONE of it relying upon nuclear. People outside the urban environment have gotten the clue that they can roll their own, heck my brother sells enough power back during the summer to pay for any grid usage during the long winter.

    The model we should be seeking is appropriate local generation with the grid for backup. The problem becomes the urban centers where Obama's mind lives.

    Hydro kicks nuclear's ass in every regard.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    In a manner of speaking. The Nuclear Industry is not bankable. IJt is completely subsidized by the taxpayers. The liability potential of disasters is and has been recognized as too great to make it a good investment. Ergo, all Nuclear Energy is gov't subsidized. The same monies should have gone into genuine renewable energy projects that would simultaneously mitigate Global Warming. The monies were derailed by Big Money lobbying, politicking, and MIC scheming to maintain the Centralized Distribution Network of electricity . This keeps the fat cats fat. Renewable Energy is fought at every turn because it hurts the fat cats of Centralized Distribution. Distributed Energies is old money networks maintaining the status quo at the expense of the citizens. Nukes are the worst manifestation of this greed at any cost. If that is personal, so be it, but I would view it as a financial analysis of why a problem persists. A really BIG problem, getting bigger.
    The Price-Anderson act is the nuclear indemnity agreement I think you must be referring to. The way it works is that the first $12.6 billion of damages are funded by a pool created by the nuclear industry (as mandated by the act) after that Congress promises to raise the funds to cover potential damages. As 2013 only $40 million has ever been paid out and that was from 3 Mile Island which was and remains an extremely minor nuclear incident (hence the relatively minor damages). Nuclear power is safe, and federal insurance is not a massive hidden cost. Limitation of liability is something used for almost every major industrial project, most of which have some sort of government protection. This is true for oil, nuclear, gas, hydro (especially hydro), etc plants. Because most large industrial objects have the possibility of serious issues if things go wrong.

    This is why if a large reservoir dam breaks and floods the urban basin below the company is not responsible for the full cost of the damages. Otherwise no one would ever build a hydro plant or any other sort of power plant for that matter. We have a federal risk pool to ensure that the private sector remains involved in these projects and that a need is met. After Hurricane Katrina we didn't expect the constructor of the levees to be responsible for ALL the damage done to New Orleans, otherwise who the hell would build levees? This is the same thing.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Ah yes , of wise one. That is why Germany is 60% renewable. That would be Industrial Germany, the most prolific manufacturer in the EU. If it works in Germany the only thing that could prevent it working in the USA is conspiring to prevent it. Wake Sleeping Buddha. Smell the peas as they're in blossom.
    Err... only 20.5% of Germany's electricity is generated from 'renewable sources' and it is extremely expensive hence the encompassing debate that is sweeping Germany today (literally, they had a Central Bank report on it this morning). They have also been shifting to greater use of coal, its share of generation rose 4.5% a huge number, ever since the decision came to idle their nuclear plants where possible. It is a terribly sad situation.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Ah yes , of wise one. That is why Germany is 60% renewable. That would be Industrial Germany, the most prolific manufacturer in the EU. If it works in Germany the only thing that could prevent it working in the USA is conspiring to prevent it. Wake Sleeping Buddha. Smell the peas as they're in blossom.
    A heavily subsidized energy sector. What I'm talking about is an energy sector that can be as efficient as the other forms of energy. I looked into this for myself, as I thought having my own solar panel would be cool. But the money to put into it just wasn't enough to offset what I'd save. Yes we could go all green energy if we wanted. It probably end up either bankrupting the country, or having everyone pay out the ass for energy costs.. but yes, it can be done. I'm glad you bring up Germany by the way:

    Germany’s Effort at Clean Energy Proves Complex

    Germany’s Clean Energy Revolution Hits Speed Bumps

    Germany's Renewable Energy Subsidies Threaten Economic Growth

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nonsense. Pickens was trying to corner the market and set up central distribution that all paid back to him. Obama just foolishly spent as PR. There has been a marked increase of off the grid living whether complete or partial. NONE of it relying upon nuclear. People outside the urban environment have gotten the clue that they can roll their own, heck my brother sells enough power back during the summer to pay for any grid usage during the long winter.

    The model we should be seeking is appropriate local generation with the grid for backup. The problem becomes the urban centers where Obama's mind lives.

    Hydro kicks nuclear's ass in every regard.
    Hydro only works where there are water sources. You aren't going to see very many Dams on the open plains.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Hydro only works where there are water sources. You aren't going to see very many Dams on the open plains.
    True, and that's why we use energy generation appropriate to the local environment. That'd be wind on the open plains. Something the government killed with the REA because they wanted us all to use centralized power. We are rich with hydro potential, large, small and micro, not to mention the ocean and our coastlines. Largely untapped. Take another look at micro hydro.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    True, and that's why we use energy generation appropriate to the local environment. That'd be wind on the open plains. Something the government killed with the REA because they wanted us all to use centralized power. We are rich with hydro potential, large, small and micro, not to mention the ocean and our coastlines. Largely untapped. Take another look at micro hydro.
    Same problem as what is in Germany. There has to be money to be made in it for people to invest in it. I assure, if T-Boone could of made money in it, he would of. The guy threw close a billion dollars at it! I truly do wish the reverse was true, because that would solve a lot of foreign policy headaches, but it just isn't.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    How about we don't generate any Nuclear waste.
    Fun fact: there is more uranium in the waste from a coal plant than there is in a nuclear plant. Which do you think is stored better?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Fukushima operator starts hazardous year-long fuel removal

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, there is one problem that ought to scare the bejesus out of us all. If there is an earthquake on the New Madrid fault line the size of the one that occurred in 1811-12, several nuclear power stations could end up with a Fukushima type event at the same time. If that happened, then a fairly large part of the central US could be rendered uninhabitible.
    You are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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