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Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

Commie said:
I sometimes wonder if it's just an aspect of how conservatives are authoritarians at heart, and love to worship the powerful, or whether the rumours I read a few years back are actually true that some conservative think tanks go beyond funding favourite right wing bloggers, to actually giving cash rewards to useful drones that parrot their propaganda on forums and news site comment threads!
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I've wondered that myself many times, voting against their own best interests is so bizarre. If you look at the right-wingers on this site though they all complain about how others are mooching off of them. They're either all rich (doubt it) or they are delusional and think their failures can be attributed to welfare moochers. "If it just wasn't for THEM I'd be rich". They're too cowardly to go after those they worship, so they pick on the weakest people in society.

You can bet there are also significant paid networks that output their propaganda everywhere they can. They own thousands of radio stations across the country where the spew their crap, certainly they do it on the internet as well. There's several people on this forum and many other sites I frequent that I suspect. I wouldn't be surprised if this forum was owned and created as a result of such things as it is setup for it.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Nah, I think the majority of them support economic-authoritarian pseudo-libertarians.

"Such people simply want to get rid of minimum wage laws, worker safety regulations, anti-trust regulations, regulations on pollution, and any other regulations that enforce good business practices, without replacing them with non-governmental libertarian solutions such as property rights and the right of self-defense, such that they can create a situation of de facto dependence-based tyranny to force anything onto workers, customers, and/or the environment. They also want to get rid of income taxes and capital gains taxes, just so that they can keep all of the money that they steal. Such types often support the Unfair Tax, and they often venerate Ayn Rand and her selfishness-is-a-virtue dogma."Pseudo-libertarian - Libertapedia, the libertarian encyclopedia
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I used to call myself a Libertarian until I realized most Libertarians were douchebags who wield their platform as a weapon to terrorize everyone and do the opposite of what they claim. That link sums it up perfectly.
 
Verax said:
I used to call myself a Libertarian until I realized most Libertarians were douchebags who wield their platform as a weapon to terrorize everyone and do the opposite of what they claim. That link sums it up perfectly.
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Perhaps, it makes them feel better to justify their own economic wellbeing without having to look beyond their own myopic view. My favorites are the ones too stupid to realize that their own viewpoint goes strictly against their interest.
 
DA60 said:
I see nothing wrong with what WalMart is doing.

They advertise jobs at a legal wage.

People voluntarily apply (and some are accepted) for those jobs.

Realizing that many of their employees do not make enough money to have a Christmas dinner, they start a food drive.

There is nothing remotely illegal or immoral with anything there.

No one put a gun to their employees heads to work there for those wages, the decision was completely their own...as is there decision to continue to work there.


WalMart does not owe anyone a living. They are under zero obligation to make sure their wages cover all their employees expenses.

Their job is to legally make as much money for the shareholders/owners as possible. That is all they ethically need to worry about. And that is all they should worry about. Free enterprise best works when legal greed is allowed to flourish.

And if people do not like the way they do that, then they can stop shopping there. If enough stop shopping their, Walmart goes out of business.

But considering Walmart is gigantic and growing, obviously huge numbers do not object to their business model.


And btw - I could care less what people call Christmas.
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So no problem - let's just raise the minimum wage so that people who are making it and working over 32 hours a week don't qualify for food stamps and can pay for health insurance.

Problem solved. WalMart can keep paying minimum wage, but we are no longer subsidizing them.
 
Helix said:
no, i said that walmart was ripe for unionization. that's entirely true, and it's walmart's fault for treating employees like cattle.

i also said that i'd cheer, which is a fact.

there is no hyperbole in my initial statement. i did, however, utilize a little hyperbole in this post when i said that they treat their employees like cattle. walmart does not kill and eat its employees, though back in the day, it did take life insurance policies out on them so it could profit from their deaths, so that's sort of similar.

;)
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Well, either you clearly don't know the meaning of the word hyperbole or you're ignorant of the facts.

Walmart may be "ripe for unionization" in the minds of the nostalgic or those prone to fantasy, but the United Food and Commercial Workers Union, which was defending itself against charges filed by Walmart for unfair labor practices, has indicated it will be withdrawing attempts to unionize Walmart stores.

Union Pledges to Halt Attempts to Unionize Wal-Mart Employees | News | Tools | XpertHR.com

In addition, the one Walmart store in Canada that was successfully unionized had its union members vote to decertify the union this past summer.

Only Walmart Union In Canada Votes To Decertify

So much for your claims being "entirely true".

You were likely correct, however, in your claim that you would cheer if Walmart unionized, but that's about as relevant as me saying I'd cheer if I won the next Powerball draw.

It's never a good idea to claim the high ground and the moral authority when it's so easy to prove your claims are just so worthless. And that's not hyperbole.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Well, either you clearly don't know the meaning of the word hyperbole or you're ignorant of the facts.

Walmart may be "ripe for unionization" in the minds of the nostalgic or those prone to fantasy, but the United Food and Commercial Workers Union, which was defending itself against charges filed by Walmart for unfair labor practices, has indicated it will be withdrawing attempts to unionize Walmart stores.

Union Pledges to Halt Attempts to Unionize Wal-Mart Employees | News | Tools | XpertHR.com

In addition, the one Walmart store in Canada that was successfully unionized had its union members vote to decertify the union this past summer.

Only Walmart Union In Canada Votes To Decertify

So much for your claims being "entirely true".

You were likely correct, however, in your claim that you would cheer if Walmart unionized, but that's about as relevant as me saying I'd cheer if I won the next Powerball draw.

It's never a good idea to claim the high ground and the moral authority when it's so easy to prove your claims are just so worthless. And that's not hyperbole.
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Walmart uses it's power to get rid of unions. "The National Labor Relations Board said it is prepared to file complaints alleging Wal-Mart Stores Inc. WMT +1.20% violated workers' rights to protest—unless Wal-Mart and the parties settle matters first.

The general counsel's office of the NLRB said it found merit in some of the charges filed with the agency against Wal-Mart, including allegations that stores in 13 states unlawfully threatened, disciplined or terminated employees for participating in legally protected strikes and protests.

Wal-Mart stores in three of those 13 states, plus a fourth state, unlawfully threatened, surveilled, disciplined or terminated employees as the stores anticipated or responded to other kinds of legally protected worker activities, the agency said Monday. In addition, during two national television news broadcasts and in statements to employees at Wal-Mart stores in California and Texas, Wal-Mart unlawfully threatened employees with reprisal if they engaged in strikes and protests last Thanksgiving Day, Nov. 22, 2012, the NLRB said." http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303985504579206412630293566
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
No, you have that wrong. It was the UFCW that wanted to appeal a labour board decision regarding accusations of unfair labour practices by Walmart, but the high court refused to hear it.
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I provided sources to support my claims - where's yours?
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
I edited to add my source.
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Not to play the "your source against mine" game, but your source pre-dates both of mine and is therefore not as current or relevant. The fact remains, the UFCW union has indicated it will cease trying to unionize Walmart stores and the one store in Canada that they were able to certify a few years back voted this past summer to decertify from the UFCW.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Well, either you clearly don't know the meaning of the word hyperbole or you're ignorant of the facts.

Walmart may be "ripe for unionization" in the minds of the nostalgic or those prone to fantasy, but the United Food and Commercial Workers Union, which was defending itself against charges filed by Walmart for unfair labor practices, has indicated it will be withdrawing attempts to unionize Walmart stores.

Union Pledges to Halt Attempts to Unionize Wal-Mart Employees | News | Tools | XpertHR.com

In addition, the one Walmart store in Canada that was successfully unionized had its union members vote to decertify the union this past summer.

Only Walmart Union In Canada Votes To Decertify

So much for your claims being "entirely true".

You were likely correct, however, in your claim that you would cheer if Walmart unionized, but that's about as relevant as me saying I'd cheer if I won the next Powerball draw.

It's never a good idea to claim the high ground and the moral authority when it's so easy to prove your claims are just so worthless. And that's not hyperbole.
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Greetings, CJ.

The one thing that is rarely mentioned is the fact that Wal-Mart does not do sweeps of neighborhoods, rounding people up to force them to work at their business. Each person who works for Wal-Mart has opted to work there. If they are unhappy with their pay, working conditions, or requirements of the job, the store swings both ways. To demonize a business for basically providing them with employment is absurd. :shock:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, CJ.

The one thing that is rarely mentioned is the fact that Wal-Mart does not do sweeps of neighborhoods, rounding people up to force them to work at their business. Each person who works for Wal-Mart has opted to work there. If they are unhappy with their pay, working conditions, or requirements of the job, the store swings both ways. To demonize a business for basically providing them with employment is absurd. :shock:
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Good morning Lady P - we had our first little dusting of snow this morning.

Those who criticize Walmart and their employment practices are those who are deluded about their entitlements in life. From the postings here on this thread, America is full of entitlement-mongers
 
CanadaJohn said:
Not to play the "your source against mine" game, but your source pre-dates both of mine and is therefore not as current or relevant. The fact remains, the UFCW union has indicated it will cease trying to unionize Walmart stores and the one store in Canada that they were able to certify a few years back voted this past summer to decertify from the UFCW.
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My source is more recent which showed that the NLRB sided with UFCW because Walmart intiminated, recorded, and threatened many of its employers because they dare to speak out.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good morning Lady P - we had our first little dusting of snow this morning.

Those who criticize Walmart and their employment practices are those who are deluded about their entitlements in life. From the postings here on this thread, America is full of entitlement-mongers
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Perhaps, like yourself. You want cheap good so why not have your communities pay for it and also allow the employees to take the hit in low wages and lack of benefits. The irony is you are paying out of your pocket for subsidies for those cheap goods.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Well, either you clearly don't know the meaning of the word hyperbole or you're ignorant of the facts.

Walmart may be "ripe for unionization" in the minds of the nostalgic or those prone to fantasy, but the United Food and Commercial Workers Union, which was defending itself against charges filed by Walmart for unfair labor practices, has indicated it will be withdrawing attempts to unionize Walmart stores.

Union Pledges to Halt Attempts to Unionize Wal-Mart Employees | News | Tools | XpertHR.com

In addition, the one Walmart store in Canada that was successfully unionized had its union members vote to decertify the union this past summer.

Only Walmart Union In Canada Votes To Decertify

So much for your claims being "entirely true".

You were likely correct, however, in your claim that you would cheer if Walmart unionized, but that's about as relevant as me saying I'd cheer if I won the next Powerball draw.

It's never a good idea to claim the high ground and the moral authority when it's so easy to prove your claims are just so worthless. And that's not hyperbole.
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you're talking about Canada; that's entirely different. Walmart "associates" there already have universal health care. The US is an entirely different animal.

to give you an example, the current Walmart advertising campaign has nothing to do with the products. it's a saturation advertisement about how great it is to work there with fake actor testimonials. it's titled "that's the real Walmart."

basically, so many people here hate the store that they actually have to do a "come on guys, we're really not corporate demons" commercial. many of us feel that way because a family member or friend has worked there. i was a customer before that.

like i said, when unions form, it will be well deserved.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
My source is more recent which showed that the NLRB sided with UFCW because Walmart intiminated, recorded, and threatened many of its employers because they dare to speak out.
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Actually, your source shows no such thing - it does indicate the the NLRB is getting back into the issue after the UFCW withdrew and declared it would no longer attempt to unionize Walmart stores. Perhaps a little birdie in the Obama administration tweeted in their ear.

Doesn't alter the content of what I posted or the facts behind it.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, CJ.

The one thing that is rarely mentioned is the fact that Wal-Mart does not do sweeps of neighborhoods, rounding people up to force them to work at their business. Each person who works for Wal-Mart has opted to work there. If they are unhappy with their pay, working conditions, or requirements of the job, the store swings both ways. To demonize a business for basically providing them with employment is absurd. :shock:
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Actually it is not. Walmart takes advantage of the economic conditions and they do it extremely well. They are taking advantage of the reality that there is little place any longer for low skilled and low educated people in good paying factory jobs. They are taking advantage of the reality that those same people are struggling to get by as best they can and even a low paying WM job is better than nothing for many. They are taking advantage of China and other foreign manufacturers who in turn take advantage of their workers who are in an even worse situation and can be thoroughly and utterly exploited. They take advantage of manufacturers by dictating to them all manner of specifications on products or they will not stock them. They take advantage of communities who are eager to get any employer and taxpayer and will do cartwheels and anything else the company wants to get into their communities. They take advantage of government welfare programs and know they can pay employees substandard wages and they can still survive making up the difference in government welfare payments. And that in turn takes advantage of the American taxpayer. They take advantage of the blue collar lower working class consumer who only cares about one thing - immediate price and gives it to them despite those same people are losing the game in the long run.

Yup - lots of advantages at Wal Mart. :doh:roll:;)
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good morning Lady P - we had our first little dusting of snow this morning.

Those who criticize Walmart and their employment practices are those who are deluded about their entitlements in life. From the postings here on this thread, America is full of entitlement-mongers
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:agree: Everyone seems to think their starting pay should be in the $40-50 thousand range, or they are being taken advantage of somehow. Weird!

It's snowing hard here at the moment. Good day to be indoors, sitting at a computer, or baking something chocolatey and chewy! I intend to spend my day doing both! :thumbs:
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Perhaps, like yourself. You want cheap good so why not have your communities pay for it and also allow the employees to take the hit in low wages and lack of benefits. The irony is you are paying out of your pocket for subsidies for those cheap goods.
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You know nothing about me personally - actually, I can't remember the last time I entered a Walmart store let alone purchased "cheap goods" or any goods there. I don't believe Walmart owes me or anyone anything other than to give it's employees a decent and respectful work environment and the wages they agreed to when hired and it's customers a reason to shop there. Nothing more. Walmart is not responsible for the decay in American society and not responsible for correcting the evils of America's ever growing welfare state.
 
Helix said:
you're talking about Canada; that's entirely different. Walmart "associates" there already have universal health care. The US is an entirely different animal.

to give you an example, the current Walmart advertising campaign has nothing to do with the products. it's a saturation advertisement about how great it is to work there with fake actor testimonials. it's titled "that's the real Walmart."

basically, so many people here hate the store that they actually have to do a "come on guys, we're really not corporate demons" commercial. many of us feel that way because a family member or friend has worked there. i was a customer before that.

like i said, when unions form, it will be well deserved.
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Last time I checked, the UFCW union is an American entity, with afficiates in Canada - the UFCW said nothing about only stopping its unionization drives in Canada - secondly, last time I checked, the NLRB is an American entity with no jurisdication or authority in Canada so my references to them are not related to Canada.

Finally, as for Walmart's commercials, they are simply trying to put truth out to counter the media and liberal bias against them. If Walmart commercials insult you, you must feel awful about the propaganda pieces the Obama administration offers up.
 
haymarket said:
Actually it is not. Walmart takes advantage of the economic conditions and they do it extremely well. They are taking advantage of the reality that there is little place any longer for low skilled and low educated people in good paying factory jobs. They are taking advantage of the reality that those same people are struggling to get by as best they can and even a low paying WM job is better than nothing for many. They are taking advantage of China and other foreign manufacturers who in turn take advantage of their workers who are in an even worse situation and can be thoroughly and utterly exploited. They take advantage of manufacturers by dictating to them all manner of specifications on products or they will not stock them. They take advantage of communities who are eager to get any employer and taxpayer and will do cartwheels and anything else the company wants to get into their communities. They take advantage of government welfare programs and know they can pay employees substandard wages and they can still survive making up the difference in government welfare payments. And that in turn takes advantage of the American taxpayer. They take advantage of the blue collar lower working class consumer who only cares about one thing - immediate price and gives it to them despite those same people are losing the game in the long run.

Yup - lots of advantages at Wal Mart. :doh:roll:;)
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DAMN Walmart - they should just leave the masses unemployed and unable to afford overpriced, made in America goods.
 
CanadaJohn said:
You know nothing about me personally - actually, I can't remember the last time I entered a Walmart store let alone purchased "cheap goods" or any goods there. I don't believe Walmart owes me or anyone anything other than to give it's employees a decent and respectful work environment and the wages they agreed to when hired and it's customers a reason to shop there. Nothing more. Walmart is not responsible for the decay in American society and not responsible for correcting the evils of America's ever growing welfare state.
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It most certainly CONTRIBUTES to the decline of American society.
 
CanadaJohn said:
DAMN Walmart - they should just leave the masses unemployed and unable to afford overpriced, made in America goods.
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In the long run - that might be better for all as it would force the issues that need forcing instead of just allowing them to be swept under the rug or kicked down the road because they are inconvenient to talk about.

Of course, the problem of the 21st century is what do you do with tens or millions of people who really cannot function in a technologically based economy where high skills and high education is now necessary to good wages now that the factory and union jobs of the past are going bye bye?

I always thought it was ironic that Sam Walton used to wax poetically about small town America that he professed to love so much but is the single person responsible for destroying more small town Main Streets and downtowns than any person in American history. He created the monster and it came back to kill what he loved.
 
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