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Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

Really? In my opinion it wasn't lip service that helped out Mitt Romney from Barack Obama in that last presidential election. ;)

Wal Mart isn't being elected for anything, except our business, and shhhhh....Don't tell anyone, they're winning! Have fun spending more for the same thing sucka!
 
Not all that work for Walmart's low wages are poor. A quick look at the federal poverty level will confirm that. For many of these workers that low wage Walmart job is a second or even third income in their household. For those few low wage Walmart workers that have large families and little or no other income this is likely a welcome helping hand as they can then afford to feed their extended family and guests too.
Why is private charity seen as bad by those constantly demanding that ever more charity be given by the gov't?




Charity is when an individual voluntarily gives to other people.

When governments give to people they must first take from some people.

That's the way that it works.
 
Wal Mart isn't being elected for anything, except our business, and shhhhh....Don't tell anyone, they're winning! Have fun spending more for the same thing sucka!
It was a simple analogy. :shrug:
 
What ever ignorance you have to dictate to yourself to continue such hatefulness.... Livable wage is subjective yes, but easily understood, and reasonably easily computed for most of the USA. Bless your heart.

It isn't hatefulness at all. It's reality. A livable wage for me is not a livable wage for someone else.
 
What ever ignorance you have to dictate to yourself to continue such hatefulness.... Livable wage is subjective yes, but easily understood, and reasonably easily computed for most of the USA. Bless your heart.

What you call hatefulness, I call simple economic fact.

And no, it's not "easily computed" because it's not computed. It's not based on any sort of statistical measure, mathematics, or anything of the like. It's determined by have-nots to decipher what creature comforts they feel are "owed" by others (government, the "rich", etc.).
 
I have no problem with what Walmart is doing here. Some employees don't work full time or can't work full time. Some employees have outside circumstances they may be dealing with, that puts a burden on them financially. There are a plethora of possibilities at play here.

I would much rather it be administered in this manner, versus at the government perceived entitlement level.
Go back to this post in this thread. The vast majority of workers at Walmart is full time--at least according to their spokesman ( Kory Lundberg).
 
It isn't hatefulness at all. It's reality. A livable wage for me is not a livable wage for someone else.
Of course not, you're a woman and are predetermined to need and be worthy of only ... what is it 76% of what a man makes doing the exact same job, even though you're more likely to be a single parent than a man.
 
It's called privatizing profits and socializing costs.

Socializing costs? Wal-mart? WHAT?

Walmart is a limited example of perfect competition, along with minor elements of monopolistic competition. They carry no specialized products. There are no items that you get at Wal-mart that you couldn't easily get somewhere else around town or down the road. They don't dictate costs. The market does. They are successful at what they do because they offer a convenient one-stop feel with low prices (artificially kept just below market by corporate subsidies - which I am against, but not to some absurd level). Wal-mart is nothing but a middleman.

You cannot socialize costs for products that are considered elastic. They are price-independent and are only adjusted based upon effects in supply.
 
Of course not, you're a woman and are predetermined to need and be worthy of only ... what is it 76% of what a man makes doing the exact same job, even though you're more likely to be a single parent than a man.

Words cannot accurately portray how hard I'm laughing right now.

You've lost. You'd do yourself a favor by slinking back into the shadows and licking your wounds for another day.
 
Words cannot accurately portray how hard I'm laughing right now.

You've lost. You'd do yourself a favor by slinking back into the shadows and licking your wounds for another day.

Why are you stalking my posts? Have I become the most recent thing for you to embarrass yourself over?
 
Why are you stalking my posts? Have I become the most recent thing for you to embarrass yourself over?

You think I should be embarrassed?

First of all, you were pretty much put into a corner by fighting economic principle what self-perceived visions of "fair" - introducing a subjective term like "livable wage" (when there is no such thing, strictly speaking). Then you decided to play red herring by thrusting gender wage discrepancy into the fold - which is also incorrect.

The most basic way to look at differences in pay between the genders is to look at the median wages of men and women. However, this comparison is of limited usefulness because men and women exhibit very different characteristics for many of the factors that affect pay. For example, men tend to choose fields with higher average pay, and tend to work more hours per week. Because of these differences in order to determine what effect discrimination has upon the wages of men and women in the workplace the differences in career choices must be accounted for. The raw median wages of men and women are often used in misleading ways to inform public policy, without explaining the reasons behind the gap.[4]

A study commissioned by the United States Department of Labor, concluded that "There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent."[4] The study also concluded that while in principal more of the wage gap could be explained by differences between the groups, the data that would be needed to account for additional factors were not available.

While the conclusions of the study commissioned by the United States Department of Labor regarding the adjusted wage gap are generally in agreement with other research,[7] there is disagreement on what factors explain the remaining 5–7%. Some studies assert that the remaining gap is due to discrimination,[8][7] while some others, such as the Department of Labor study above conclude otherwise. Many researchers[8][7] also believe that the differences between the choices men and women make are actually a result of discrimination or social pressures, with women being discouraged from high paying fields, and men being discouraged from making choices such as prioritizing job satisfaction over pay.

It is, however, impossible to attribute the disparity to gender alone. Things like seniority, education, overtime, sick days, and how often raises are asked for all impact the statistic. Even height[9] and which hand is dominant[10] correlate with earning power.

Gender pay gap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What's next - you going to bring up abortion as a basis to slam Wal-mart?
 
CHARRITY!!? Surely they are the world's greatest monsters.
 
Socializing costs? Wal-mart? WHAT?

Walmart is a limited example of perfect competition, along with minor elements of monopolistic competition. They carry no specialized products. There are no items that you get at Wal-mart that you couldn't easily get somewhere else around town or down the road. They don't dictate costs. The market does. They are successful at what they do because they offer a convenient one-stop feel with low prices (artificially kept just below market by corporate subsidies - which I am against, but not to some absurd level). Wal-mart is nothing but a middleman.

You cannot socialize costs for products that are considered elastic. They are price-independent and are only adjusted based upon effects in supply.

The socialized costs are what the taxpayers pick up because Walmart won't.
 
The socialized costs are what the taxpayers pick up because Walmart won't.

Name me some of these costs.

[Edit] - Before I start down that road, I seriously hope that you're not counting brief periods of tax abatement and municipality-based infrastructure costs as "socialized". If you do, you're wrong. Those are contained externalities.
 
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Of course not, you're a woman and are predetermined to need and be worthy of only ... what is it 76% of what a man makes doing the exact same job, even though you're more likely to be a single parent than a man.

Nope, not true in my experience. I make as much as, or more than any man I know, who does the same job that I do.
 
Food stamps
Free and reduced lunch
Medicaid
Welfare benefits based on state
corporate subsidies

The last has already been addressed. Wal-mart has absolutely no impact on the rest, other than that they are an employer of uneducated bitc...people who have zero differentiated labor and zero market-based skill sets - and pay them as such.

You may as well go blame every retailer, every fast food chain, and every last establishment with employees that a trained chimp can replace.

Your problem shouldn't be with the employer. It should be with the employees who have decided not to make themselves important or invaluable in the workplace. For some odd reason, you seem to be an advocate of shirking responsibility away from them and blaming it on corporations for the simple reason that they are successful.
 
The last has already been addressed. Wal-mart has absolutely no impact on the rest, other than that they are an employer of uneducated bitc...people who have zero differentiated labor and zero market-based skill sets - and pay them as such.

You may as well go blame every retailer, every fast food chain, and every last establishment with employees that a trained chimp can replace.

Your problem shouldn't be with the employer. It should be with the employees who have decided not to make themselves important or invaluable in the workplace. For some odd reason, you seem to be an advocate of shirking responsibility away from them and blaming it on corporations for the simple reason that they are successful.

No, you're shirking responsibly away from the corporation(s) that runs such a model and blaming it's employees. One of these two things has far more power and with great power comes great responsibility.
 
Anyone who walks into a Wal-Mart, knowing what they are, is so self centered and greedy I doubt they are even remotely willing to help someone else unless there is a tax break in it for them.

One of the things I hate about the socio-political hysteria that has taken this otherwise great country by storm is that if you're poor, you can't catch a break. No matter what you do, some asshole who doesn't know what the **** they're talking about is going to tell you what's wrong with you.

Depending on what wingnut is screaming into the megaphone at any given moment, the poor are lazy, uneducated, lacking ambition, slobs, parasites, mindless drones, criminals, con men, or in your case self-centered greedy supporters of evil corporate vampires who give not a thought for any other human being absent a financial incentive to do so.

I shop at Walmart for the same reason my next-door neighbors works there -- because we don't have a lot of money, but we've got plenty of obligations and have to do whatever it takes to meet them. I've got a wife and two kids, so I work for a boss I hate for not enough money and no raises in the last 10 years -- then walk into Walmart to spend less and get more. My neighbor has two kids in college, so she walks into Walmart to work a job she hates for not enough money so that she can keep paying tuition -- then she gets out of work at that job and goes to work for another corporate empire so she can pay the rent.

It must be nice, sitting on that high horse you built for yourself, looking down on those of us who are just trying to get by. You may not be a Democrat or a Republican, but you reflect some of the many damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't-because-you're-a-moral-degenerate-if-you're-poor attitudes that make me hate both parties and hate American politics and will one day make me hate America as a whole.

Until the day comes that you're offering myself and others like me a legitimate alternative to our self-centered greed, close your mouth and stop talking because we don't care about your opinion. Your opinion won't put food on our tables, pay our bills, or keep clothes on our kids' backs.
 
Bunk. If you raise the wage, you raise the threshold. Poverty is determined by factors such as the CPI and median wages. You raise the floor, you raise everything above it. If anything, a minimum wage increase would raise the percentage of people living below the poverty level. The raise would start to catch people with wages slightly above minimum wage and the poverty level because those jobs would not be reintroduced into the marketplace with a wage of a similar percentage above MW as before.

Here to post on anyone to your perceived left??
Or just a corporate shill??
 
Name me some of these costs.

[Edit] - Before I start down that road, I seriously hope that you're not counting brief periods of tax abatement and municipality-based infrastructure costs as "socialized". If you do, you're wrong. Those are contained externalities.

Got all your shill talking points lined up tonite?!?!?!
 
If I could like your Post more than once, I would TED..I feel a bit guilty for not having kids but being a retired teacher still involved with kids allows me to feel your anxst..just know that it will be worth it as with your neighbor when her kids graduate college--career--marriage--grands--etc .
One of the things I hate about the socio-political hysteria that has taken this otherwise great country by storm is that if you're poor, you can't catch a break. No matter what you do, some asshole who doesn't know what the **** they're talking about is going to tell you what's wrong with you.

Depending on what wingnut is screaming into the megaphone at any given moment, the poor are lazy, uneducated, lacking ambition, slobs, parasites, mindless drones, criminals, con men, or in your case self-centered greedy supporters of evil corporate vampires who give not a thought for any other human being absent a financial incentive to do so.

I shop at Walmart for the same reason my next-door neighbors works there -- because we don't have a lot of money, but we've got plenty of obligations and have to do whatever it takes to meet them. I've got a wife and two kids, so I work for a boss I hate for not enough money and no raises in the last 10 years -- then walk into Walmart to spend less and get more. My neighbor has two kids in college, so she walks into Walmart to work a job she hates for not enough money so that she can keep paying tuition -- then she gets out of work at that job and goes to work for another corporate empire so she can pay the rent.

It must be nice, sitting on that high horse you built for yourself, looking down on those of us who are just trying to get by. You may not be a Democrat or a Republican, but you reflect some of the many damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't-because-you're-a-moral-degenerate-if-you're-poor attitudes that make me hate both parties and hate American politics and will one day make me hate America as a whole.

Until the day comes that you're offering myself and others like me a legitimate alternative to our self-centered greed, close your mouth and stop talking because we don't care about your opinion. Your opinion won't put food on our tables, pay our bills, or keep clothes on our kids' backs.
 
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