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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    When it comes down to it, as always, we are this close to having the same ideals (picture about a quarter inch between the thumb and forefinger). We all want the same thing. Security, a wage that feeds us and pays the bills, an assurance that when we get sick, we can afford the medicine to make us well. AND hopefully, a better life for our kids. We all want that. Now, you are not opposed to subsidizing Walmart workers . . . even though it affords $Billions in profits for Walmart to legally devise a hourly wage that forces you and me to pay for their employee's food and healthcare. Sometimes, their childcare is even included in the equation. I'm sorry, are we admiring corporations because they can afford lawyers and accountants that legally find ways for them to ditch their responsibility to their employees so it falls on our shoulders? Despite the $Billions in profits they make just because they let our tax dollars subsidize their employees?
    again, does a single person, without dependents, qualify for such assistance?

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I have a question for you.

    'Job [job] Show IPA noun, verb, jobbed, job·bing, adjective
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    a piece of work, especially a specific task done as part of the routine of one's occupation or for an agreed price: She gave him the job of mowing the lawn.'

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    It says nothing about sufficient money for food/shelter/clothing,etc.


    Where in ANY well respected literature does it say that an employer is morally obligated to pay it's full time employee's enough to pay their rent/food/clothing/etc.?

    Anywhere?

    The UN?

    Anywhere?


    Its my opinion, one that is based on 'the do unto others..." principal. If I was an unskilled worker I would want a decent wage, not the lowest wage that the employer can get away with. As I said before, it is not an unusual opinion since the minimum wage is an (often inadequate] attempt to limit the exploitation of workers by employers.

    When I was completely unskilled I got paid minimum wage, but at that time (in the mid-197Os] that was enough to afford rent, food, basic clothes, and transportation to work. In many parts of the country that is no longer the case because the minmum wage has not kept up with increases in the cost of living.

    Why does the word exploit exist in the sense of "to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage?" At one point, if any, does a conservative or libertarian consider an employment practice to be exploitation?

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

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    again, does a single person, without dependents, qualify for such assistance?
    I think that depends on which state they are in. My understanding is that the feds fund food stamps, but the states administer the program.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Its my opinion, one that is based on 'the do unto others..." principal. If I was an unskilled worker I would want a decent wage, not the lowest wage that the employer can get away with. As I said before, it is not an unusual opinion since the minimum wage is an (often inadequate] attempt to limit the exploitation of workers by employers.

    When I was completely unskilled I got paid minimum wage, but at that time (in the mid-197Os] that was enough to afford rent, food, basic clothes, and transportation to work. In many parts of the country that is no longer the case because the minmum wage has not kept up with increases in the cost of living.

    Why does the word exploit exist in the sense of "to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage?" At one point, if any, does a conservative or libertarian consider an employment practice to be exploitation?
    If you were an unskilled worker, why would you expect any more than your market worth?
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Costco has no problems with it.
    Good for them.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    If you were an unskilled worker, why would you expect any more than your market worth?
    Yes, the market allows employers to pay unskileld workers a low wage. Employers can even go to the poorest countries to find desperate people who will work for pennies a week.

    The lack of enough police in many places allows robbers to steal from more people. Why would you expect to not get robbed?

    If your house was on fire your neighbor can charge you a thousand dollars to borrow her fire extinguisher. Why would you expect to pay less?

    Due to circumstances, an employer can pay a low wage, a robber can steal from you and your neighbor can charge you a thousand dollars to use the fire extinguisher. That doesn't mean that these acts are ethical. In all these cases they are exploiting a person's vulnerability and/or desperation.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Good for them.
    No, in my opinion, it's great for them.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Yes, the market allows employers to pay unskileld workers a low wage. Employers can even go to the poorest countries to find desperate people who will work for pennies a week.

    The lack of enough police in many places allows robbers to steal from more people. Why would you expect to not get robbed?

    If your house was on fire your neighbor can charge you a thousand dollars to borrow her fire extinguisher. Why would you expect to pay less?

    Due to circumstances, an employer can pay a low wage, a robber can steal from you and your neighbor can charge you a thousand dollars to use the fire extinguisher. That doesn't mean that these acts are ethical. In all these cases they are exploiting a person's vulnerability and/or desperation.
    This is one of the most non responsive posts I've received...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    This is one of the most non responsive posts I've received...
    To summarize my point, I don't necessarilly expect anything. But I want employers to pay a decent wage because it is unethical to pay a full-time worker less than they can live on. They may be able to get away with less than that because people are desperate, but it is still wrong. In other words, the same reason you don't expect to get mugged everytime you go outside, you hope people are better than that.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I think that depends on which state they are in. My understanding is that the feds fund food stamps, but the states administer the program.
    Well, I think we all agree that any job should be able to pay what is needed to meet basic demands. Where I live, that is easily accomplished while working at walmart. Naturally there is a regional aspect to that, but the idea that such a job needs to be able to support people with dependents (likely the people qualifying for assistance) strikes me as totally unreasonable.

    As for the remarks on healthcare, that is more a product of bad govt policy and one many employers would like to see shifted over to the public sector, and can't really fault a retail company for not wanting to foot that bill under current circumstances

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