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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    Not sure I can take it any other way.
    Sure, you can take it as a criticism of the idea and not you.

    As to the "Lighten up" reference, did you read any words of mine in my reply that were as confrontational as what you described as a "dishonest characterization"? Maybe it isn't I who should lighten up. I am in a fine mood thank you . . . it is football Sunday.

    But I am sure you are right, because I am usually wrong. Perhaps (I have no way of knowing) where you come from, it is normal to start a conversation with someone by calling them intellectually dishonest.
    see, I didn't call you intellectually dishonest, I said your idea was characterized in a dishonest manner. An idea you might have not considered in such terms or open to such criticism. Hence, *you* would not be dishonest in repeating it

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Sure, you can take it as a criticism of the idea and not you.



    see, I didn't call you intellectually dishonest, I said your idea was characterized in a dishonest manner. An idea you might have not considered in such terms or open to such criticism. Hence, *you* would not be dishonest in repeating it
    See, I told you I was wrong. Semantics aside.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

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    I agree that there are way too many tax loopholes that are exploitable by major corporations, but the failure there seems to be with our legislatures. You, on the other hand, seemingly blame the entity simply taking advantage of such things, as you yourself admittedly do.
    Those same entities make sure they stay in place. Money talks.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    If the private sector wants to do something nice why do they not get people off of public assistance and give them a livable wage? And if they can't do that than go pay their full taxes and quit itemizing to get out of it
    Why, is this a lifestyle we want to encourage? Staying in a low-paying, unskilled job your whole life? Then trying to squeeze some kids or new cars or vacations into that?

    The private sector pays lots of people decent, livable wages....but why should they pay people in *entry-level* and/or unskilled service/labor jobs MORE than they are entitled to? SO they'll REMAIN in those jobs? Enabling them to do so is HELPING them?

    Besides, they need to leave those jobs behind for the next generation to learn in or the elderly to supplement an income i, etc.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    You guys all talk big and pad your egos but I bet when in a pinch you change your tune. I've seen your type before. You think you're some kind of witty powerhouses until things don't go your way then its Obama's fault, its the gubmints fault, its those damn welfare recipients fault.
    Na huh....you dont know what my life or work history has been like. You have no idea. I've made mistakes and made good decisions. Lived on rice and beans and bagels. Went back to school and got a 2nd degree (at nite, was poor all over again) when the first one wasnt ever going to buy me a home.

    And I am no exception to anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    What's happening J? While I agree with you for the most part (everyone cannot be me or you), what always seems to be avoided in the discussion is the government money allocated to the workers of Walmart in the form of food stamps, health care, etc. Let's just say the Forbes article stating Walmart stores average about a $1-Million a year in government subsides to it's workers is true (We know Walmart workers collect). You and I . . . the American taxpayer are paying for those subsidies. Now, let's just say there are only 1000 Walmart Superstores in America (There are well more than that) . . . that is $1-Billion a year WE pay so Walmart doesn't have too, and for many, it is still the people's fault. When they don't spend that $1-Billion paying their workers, that money just stays in the profit column. So, who is really getting the welfare?

    It use to be department store jobs were a weigh station to bigger and better things for most folks . . . but we do not manufacture things anymore, and have developed into a service related economy that doesn't provide avenues to greater success like economies of the past. Not only that, the economic game plan of moving factories to places like China, Bangladesh, and Pakistan has played against the American worker, and developed products that can only be described as cheap (or inexpensive, you pick), poorly made, and have short life spans. I remember when a Washer & Dryer lasted 20-years. Hell, my Mom has a working Norge refrigerator in her basement from the Mid-1950s. We are lucky to get 10-years out of an appliance now-a-days.

    It doesn't bother me that Walmart makes a profit . . . but at what cost to others? We are blaming workers for being on welfare while the employer walks away with corporate welfare and no one bats an eye. Sure, some people could get 2-jobs . . . hell, even three. But many cannot. I don't want to subsidize their health care when Walmart can still make huge profits AND pay their employees.

    I don't shop at Walmart. Hate the place. It is a far cry from the first Walmart I ever went into when I was stationed in Memphis. Back in the day when the stores had banners all over every wall declaring all the merchandise was made in America . . . back when Sam Walton was still alive and the worker was considered along with profit. Walmart doesn't give two-shirts about the average American, and it always amazes me how the villain turns out to be their lazy workers.
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    Are those people aware that taxpayers subsidize the wages of underpaid Walmarts employees by providing them with foodstamps?
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That is no justification. Two wrongs dont make a right.

    People shouldnt try to LIVE off of a Walmart job if they cant LIVE off a Walmart job. It's not the taxpayer's fault that they developed no skills, didnt move up or move on, didnt move somewhere where there were better jobs or had more obligations than they can pay for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Why, is this a lifestyle we want to encourage? Staying in a low-paying, unskilled job your whole life? Then trying to squeeze some kids or new cars or vacations into that?

    The private sector pays lots of people decent, livable wages....but why should they pay people in *entry-level* and/or unskilled service/labor jobs MORE than they are entitled to? SO they'll REMAIN in those jobs? Enabling them to do so is HELPING them?

    Besides, they need to leave those jobs behind for the next generation to learn in or the elderly to supplement an income i, etc.

    The italics make it seem a bit more emphatic than the intent. I felt your well-thought out post deserved a decent answer. (altho not likely one you'll like )
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    What's happening J? While I agree with you for the most part (everyone cannot be me or you), what always seems to be avoided in the discussion is the government money allocated to the workers of Walmart in the form of food stamps, health care, etc. Let's just say the Forbes article stating Walmart stores average about a $1-Million a year in government subsides to it's workers is true (We know Walmart workers collect). You and I . . . the American taxpayer are paying for those subsidies. Now, let's just say there are only 1000 Walmart Superstores in America (There are well more than that) . . . that is $1-Billion a year WE pay so Walmart doesn't have too, and for many, it is still the people's fault. When they don't spend that $1-Billion paying their workers, that money just stays in the profit column. So, who is really getting the welfare?

    It use to be department store jobs were a weigh station to bigger and better things for most folks . . . but we do not manufacture things anymore, and have developed into a service related economy that doesn't provide avenues to greater success like economies of the past. Not only that, the economic game plan of moving factories to places like China, Bangladesh, and Pakistan has played against the American worker, and developed products that can only be described as cheap (or inexpensive, you pick), poorly made, and have short life spans. I remember when a Washer & Dryer lasted 20-years. Hell, my Mom has a working Norge refrigerator in her basement from the Mid-1950s. We are lucky to get 10-years out of an appliance now-a-days.

    It doesn't bother me that Walmart makes a profit . . . but at what cost to others? We are blaming workers for being on welfare while the employer walks away with corporate welfare and no one bats an eye. Sure, some people could get 2-jobs . . . hell, even three. But many cannot. I don't want to subsidize their health care when Walmart can still make huge profits AND pay their employees.

    I don't shop at Walmart. Hate the place. It is a far cry from the first Walmart I ever went into when I was stationed in Memphis. Back in the day when the stores had banners all over every wall declaring all the merchandise was made in America . . . back when Sam Walton was still alive and the worker was considered along with profit. Walmart doesn't give two-shirts about the average American, and it always amazes me how the villain turns out to be their lazy workers.
    Hi there Dave. Listen, I have no doubt that things in this country were indeed better when we were a manufacturing powerhouse. And, I am not opposed to subsidizing the part timers of Walmart, as long as they are not in that position as a lifelong career. At least they're working.

    There are a multitude of shortages in skilled trades like plumbing, welding, electrical, and even truck driving. All of these professions offer a solid middle class wage, with relatively short term training. What's wrong with that?

    No, instead we have a sector of people that would rather force a business out of business, over some ulterior motive of union, or jealousy than use the job as intended and move on to something better.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Why, is this a lifestyle we want to encourage? Staying in a low-paying, unskilled job your whole life? Then trying to squeeze some kids or new cars or vacations into that?

    The private sector pays lots of people decent, livable wages....but why should they pay people in *entry-level* and/or unskilled service/labor jobs MORE than they are entitled to? SO they'll REMAIN in those jobs? Enabling them to do so is HELPING them?

    Besides, they need to leave those jobs behind for the next generation to learn in or the elderly to supplement an income i, etc.
    Costco has no problems with it.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Those same entities make sure they stay in place. Money talks.
    of course they fight to maintain them, why wouldn't they? But, again, the burden falls on the legislature

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hi there Dave. Listen, I have no doubt that things in this country were indeed better when we were a manufacturing powerhouse. And, I am not opposed to subsidizing the part timers of Walmart, as long as they are not in that position as a lifelong career. At least they're working.

    There are a multitude of shortages in skilled trades like plumbing, welding, electrical, and even truck driving. All of these professions offer a solid middle class wage, with relatively short term training. What's wrong with that?

    No, instead we have a sector of people that would rather force a business out of business, over some ulterior motive of union, or jealousy than use the job as intended and move on to something better.
    When it comes down to it, as always, we are this close to having the same ideals (picture about a quarter inch between the thumb and forefinger). We all want the same thing. Security, a wage that feeds us and pays the bills, an assurance that when we get sick, we can afford the medicine to make us well. AND hopefully, a better life for our kids. We all want that. Now, you are not opposed to subsidizing Walmart workers . . . even though it affords $Billions in profits for Walmart to legally devise a hourly wage that forces you and me to pay for their employee's food and healthcare. Sometimes, their childcare is even included in the equation. I'm sorry, are we admiring corporations because they can afford lawyers and accountants that legally find ways for them to ditch their responsibility to their employees so it falls on our shoulders? Despite the $Billions in profits they make just because they let our tax dollars subsidize their employees?

    I seriously do not get that mindset. Never will. I know welders that are out of work. I seriously know a bunch of electrical workers that wish a new subdivision would sprout up. There are 10:1 for electricians where I live. Again . . . it is not equal for everyone and you act like everyone is smart as you.

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