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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Anyone who walks into a Wal-Mart, knowing what they are, is so self centered and greedy I doubt they are even remotely willing to help someone else unless there is a tax break in it for them.
    Someone needs to get off their high horse.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Uhhh, okaaaay. I thought 'yup' said it all. But alright...

    I, DA60, think it is COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY ethical to pay a full-time worker less than they need to pay for their basic needs for food, shelter and clothing.


    Clear enough for you?
    Thanks. I appreciate your honesty.

    Is anyone else as honest as DA6O?

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Thanks. I appreciate your honesty.

    Is anyone else as honest as DA6O?
    I have a question for you.

    'Job [job] Show IPA noun, verb, jobbed, job·bing, adjective
    noun
    1.
    a piece of work, especially a specific task done as part of the routine of one's occupation or for an agreed price: She gave him the job of mowing the lawn.'

    Job | Define Job at Dictionary.com


    It says nothing about sufficient money for food/shelter/clothing,etc.


    Where in ANY well respected literature does it say that an employer is morally obligated to pay it's full time employee's enough to pay their rent/food/clothing/etc.?

    Anywhere?

    The UN?

    Anywhere?
    Last edited by DA60; 11-24-13 at 03:07 AM.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You have hit the nail firmly upon its head. Yes, we need to encourage and assist more people with trade careers like plumbing, electrical and other skills where they can make a good living at.

    Sadly, we no longer live in an agricultural economy which has a place for all. And when that turned into to a manufacturing or industrial economy, not only could we transfer everybody but we had to go around to world to supply all the extra land needed. We are fast becoming a nation where a good 25% of the people are no longer necessary in a technological economy.

    That is the big problem of the 21st century. What do we do with those people who will not become plumbers?
    Not sure why you say that agricultural communities have a place for everyone....many agricultural counties in places like North Dakota, Wyoming, New Mexico have nothing to offer youn g people looking for a way to make a living (in the opinions of those leaving in droves).
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Haymarket, I appreciate the many good points you have made on this thread. Thanks for posting!

    Lursa - Hi there too!! Just wanted to say re your posts - it's easy to say people don't have to work minimum wage jobs - but when the recession hit, even people with degrees were taking minimum wage jobs because nothing else was available.

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    My point has been 'long-term.' Those jobs are not meant, IMO, as careers. They are indeed stop-gap jobs for people who need to make ends meet. That is one purpose. As are the others I mentioned in another post.


    And even if one does take a job a WalMart long term...why do they remain at starting leve/min wagel for years when management and other positions are available...there are even programs for such.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Haymarket

    However, I do agree that educating our young people (or re-educating older people!) is vital ; while all kids should be encouraged to go to college if possible, not all kids want to do that, and so we need strong vo-tech programs right alongside strong college-bound courses. And kids should probably take courses from both sides of the curriculum. (My step-kids ended up not going to a 4 yr college; but we told them that while in high school, even if they weren't sure about college, they should act as though they were going and take all the right courses; you can always decide later not to go if it's not right for you. Unfortunately, vo-tech has been so reduced in so many schools, they weren't able to really take any classes along those lines, and I do think the older one would have really enjoyed being a carpenter if she had been exposed to classes in it... sadly, can't get her to go into apprenticeship training in a trade now that she's out of school)

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    This seems so obvious....but where is it? Parents need to be more proactive and schools need to get their guidance couselors more involved, more empowered. Mine in HS was useless. He mostly told me stories about when he picked up Kurt Vonnegut's son hitchhiking and took him home and met Kurt.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    1. Employers have a moral obligation to pay full-time workers enough to live on. They don't have to pay enough to support six kids, but at least one kid.
    Who says? That is not my morality. To me, it is immoral to have a kid you cant afford, thus requiring other people to pay for it. Or demand that your employer pay you more to support it.

    If you want more money, no one is stopping you from acquiring skills...no one stopped you in high school either but you are free to acquire them after as well. Nor from bettering yourself at your current employer.

    But since the unskilled labor pool is huge, you really dont have any bargaining power. It is not immoral to pay what unskilled labor is *worth to you.* If someone wants more, then they will take or work towards a wage that is *worth it to them.*
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I disagree.

    Revenue – Costs = Profit/ Loss

    If you raise wages (costs), then you have lower profits AND/OR higher prices.

    The former (lowers profits) means you probably have to lay off people, which means more people have no job which defeats the purpose of raising the minimum wage.

    The latter (higher prices) means that consumers can afford less products. And considering many shoppers at places like Walmart are on fixed incomes, that can really hurt them.


    This idea that raising the minimum wage is the magic pill is simply false...you cannot raise costs (with no greater productivity) without lowering profits...not realistically possible.
    With $15 billion profit no, they could raise wages without layoffs. Stop acting like walmart can't survive or would have to raise prices if wages went up or were not given massive subsidies.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Well I'm exaggerating, its more like an 80/20 split. You also may be an illness away from ruin.

    The point is the majority of America is getting the shaft by those that take 90% of the pie.
    Are you serious? I'm a regular person with lots of regular friends and who competes/participates with lots of other regular people at sports.

    Life doesnt suck for lots of non-rich people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Are you serious? I'm a regular person with lots of regular friends and who competes/participates with lots of other regular people at sports.

    Life doesnt suck for lots of non-rich people.
    Non-rich does not necessarily equal middle class / lower middle class / poverty, upper middle class is still doing ok but not great. Also if you don't have much money you are one illness away from disaster. You might think everything is great until something happens and then you are screwed.

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