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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I agree there is a problem.

    Then why does the middle class keep supporting massive bailouts to gigantic corporations? Why did the middle class generally seem to agree with the Fed bailing out lousy banks with over a trillion dollars? Why do the masses support a Fed that clearly exists to prop up it's Wall Street banking buddies? Why do the masses keep electing POTUS's that support cronyism?

    I think the middle class is being eroded because America is losing it's edge due to MASSIVE government interventions in corporations that pay these politicians (directly and indirectly) to do just that.

    I say force corporations to live and die without ANY government assistance.

    Stop having the government intervene in the economy. They have been intervening for over a decade...and what has it accomplished? It has made things worse. The rich are getting MUCH richer, the poor are getting more numerous, the middle class are getting poorer and the national debt is skyrocketing. It's not working.

    The government should help those who cannot (as opposed to will not) help themselves. Help the poor, the sick and the elderly.

    But stay out of the economy...leave that to the people.

    If they do that, lousy companies will die, healthy ones will thrive and America can grow again...and the middle class will grow along with them...IMO.

    Stop trusting the government/Fed America and start trusting in yourselves.
    In theory that is definitely the system I would prefer. My only objection would be that rather than completely taking government out of the economy we should focus on better government only intervening when truly necessary, but ideally it would the closest possible to a real "free market". Its kind of a catch 22 where we need good government to fix bad private industry and good private industry needs bad government to get off its back.

    Of course all this is undermined if you have bad people rigging the system whether it is government or private industry, pick your poison.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    In theory that is definitely the system I would prefer. My only objection would be that rather than completely taking government out of the economy we should focus on better government only intervening when truly necessary, but ideally it would the closest possible to a real "free market". Its kind of a catch 22 where we need good government to fix bad private industry and good private industry needs bad government to get off its back.

    Of course all this is undermined if you have bad people rigging the system whether it is government or private industry, pick your poison.
    I see your point.

    Personally, I used to believe government is basically good. I no longer believe that. I think the way it is set up encourages corruption.

    I don't like cold, heartless corporations either.

    But at least they can be forced - through economic boycott - to do (more or less) the right thing.

    But once politicians are elected, they do whatever they want until election time...then they promise the Moon.

    And I think no matter who is elected, they will be probably at least as corrupt as the last politician.

    I don't think politicians make politics dirty. I think the system turns politicians dirty.

    I think Obama was probably a relatively honorable fellow ten years ago (and GWB to perhaps a lesser extent 20 years ago).

    I think now he has compromised his ideals so much that he is a shadow of his former self. Telling lies and playing games to get what he wants...convincing himself with that old line...'the ends justify the means'.

    I simply have near ZERO trust or respect for ANYTHING that comes out of Washington...from either party.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Well it appears that a Cleveland, Ohio Walmart is holding a food drive so that it's employees can have a nice Holiday meal. The sign in the store, accompanied by several plastic bins, reads: "Please donate food items so associates in need can enjoy Thanksgiving dinner."

    Really? Thank goodness those people are employed so those associates don't have to get on food stamps.

    What cracks me up with some people that see nothing wrong with what Walmart is doing would probably go berserk if you wished them "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas."
    $5 they sell of some of the food
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I agree there is a problem.

    Then why does the middle class keep supporting massive bailouts to gigantic corporations? Why did the middle class generally seem to agree with the Fed bailing out lousy banks with over a trillion dollars? Why do the masses support a Fed that clearly exists to prop up it's Wall Street banking buddies? Why do the masses keep electing POTUS's that support cronyism?

    I think the middle class is being eroded because America is losing it's edge due to MASSIVE government interventions in corporations that pay these politicians (directly and indirectly) to do just that.

    I say force corporations to live and die without ANY government assistance.

    Stop having the government intervene in the economy. They have been intervening for over a decade...and what has it accomplished? It has made things worse. The rich are getting MUCH richer, the poor are getting more numerous, the middle class are getting poorer and the national debt is skyrocketing. It's not working.

    The government should help those who cannot (as opposed to will not) help themselves. Help the poor, the sick and the elderly.

    But stay out of the economy...leave that to the people.

    If they do that, lousy companies will die, healthy ones will thrive and America can grow again...and the middle class will grow along with them...IMO.

    Stop trusting the government/Fed America and start trusting in yourselves.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    And why do you think these local businesses have to charge more for their goods? One of the reasons is (according to you) they pay higher wages to their employees. Higher wages means higher prices.

    I will say it again, Walmart has gotten huge and is still growing...so obviously huge numbers of people are fine with their business model. If they were not, Walmart would not have thrived.

    You don't like it, don't shop at Walmart.
    Are those people aware that taxpayers subsidize the wages of underpaid Walmarts employees by providing them with foodstamps? Are they aware that Walmarts is likely to destroy their local businesses and the decent paying jobs that they support? Are they aware that Walmarts encourages their suppliers to pay even lower than the usual low wages paid to their employees in third world countries? It is not informed consent unless they are aware of these facts.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Really? And where is this world recognized, book of morals that says that?
    It is my opinion, one that many people share, which is why we have minmum wage laws. Can you openly and proudly say that you think it is ethical to pay a full-time worker less than they need to pay for their basic needs for food, shelter and clothing?

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I...I don't like cold, heartless corporations either.

    But at least they can be forced - through economic boycott - to do (more or less) the right thing.....
    That is true only when there is real competition. If the competition is only between two equally cold, heartless corporations with the same policies, then the consumer does not really have a choice if it is a product that they need. Consumers also need to be exposed to the relevant information to make an informed choice.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It is my opinion, one that many people share, which is why we have minmum wage laws. Can you openly and proudly say that you think it is ethical to pay a full-time worker less than they need to pay for their basic needs for food, shelter and clothing?
    Yup.

    A company pays you to work for them - whether that is enough for you to live on is absolutely NOTHING to do with the company.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Yup.

    A company pays you to work for them - whether that is enough for you to live on is absolutely NOTHING to do with the company.
    It is interesting that you used your own spin instead of simply saying:
    "I, DA60, think it is ethical to pay a full-time worker less than they need to pay for their basic needs for food, shelter and clothing."

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It is interesting that you used your own spin instead of simply saying:
    "I, DA60, think it is ethical to pay a full-time worker less than they need to pay for their basic needs for food, shelter and clothing."
    Uhhh, okaaaay. I thought 'yup' said it all. But alright...

    I, DA60, think it is COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY ethical to pay a full-time worker less than they need to pay for their basic needs for food, shelter and clothing.


    Clear enough for you?

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