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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1. Your hypothesis is wrong.

    2. You are not forced to work there.

    3. Once you agree to work for a certain wage, you don't then "own" the job.

    4. New wealth is created every day. So, no, it isn't static.
    1. That's not a point its an assertion.

    2. So I'm free to work at another job that is the same situation? Seriously you must be joking if you think everyone can just find a better job next door.

    3. Agree to work? You mean if I want to pay my bills I better take this job or else sleep in my car? That is the reality most people face, especially in hard economic times.

    4. New wealth is created yes, but by who? Its not something the average person does. The average person finds a job and they work there, end of story. Asking everyone to be entrepeneurs is not a realistic solution for common folk.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    1. Employers have a moral obligation to pay full-time workers enough to live on. They don't have to pay enough to support six kids, but at least one kid.
    Really? And where is this world recognized, book of morals that says that?

    2. That is true and the reason why the legal framework for corporations should be eliminated. It enables sociopathic organizations. In the past the greed of business owners was tempered by their need to maintain a decent reputation in the community. Now no one is held responsible for the decisions made by corporations, legally or ethically.

    3. The local businesses paying their employees livable wages tend to get wiped out when Walmart comes to town. Eventually the customers lose their access to competing businesses.
    And why does Walmart wipe out these smaller businesses? Because they sell the same products for MUCH less. No one in town is forced to go to Walmart. I am sure many Walmart customers don't want to see the local Ma and Pa stores die. But they want to save their hard earned money. So they go to the stores that offer them the most goods for the least money.

    And why do you think these local businesses have to charge more for their goods? One of the reasons is (according to you) they pay higher wages to their employees. Higher wages means higher prices.

    I will say it again, Walmart has gotten huge and is still growing...so obviously huge numbers of people are fine with their business model. If they were not, Walmart would not have thrived.

    You don't like it, don't shop at Walmart.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    1. That's not a point its an assertion.

    2. So I'm free to work at another job that is the same situation? Seriously you must be joking if you think everyone can just find a better job next door.

    3. Agree to work? You mean if I want to pay my bills I better take this job or else sleep in my car? That is the reality most people face, especially in hard economic times.

    4. New wealth is created yes, but by who? Its not something the average person does. The average person finds a job and they work there, end of story. Asking everyone to be entrepeneurs is not a realistic solution for common folk.

    1. Either way, your assertion then is wrong.

    2. Yes, you are free to accept a job at whomever is hiring, and you want to work for.

    3. Your bills or living situation is not any company's problem.

    4. I didn't say that everyone should be an entrepreneur. But, you answer your own selfish angst here. As you state not everyone is cut out to run a business so why should they get paid like they are?
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Its kind of funny the right complains about welfare, food stamps, etc. But then when it comes to rich corps underpaying their employees that put people in such a position they're fine with it and just come up with more excuses.
    For the record, I am not against food stamps (I was against the recent cut in food stamps) and I support the government helping those that cannot help themselves.

    And where is your unbiased, factual proof that Walmart is underpaying it's employees? By what internationally recognized legal code or world-renowned moral book is Walmart's pay structure in violation of?

    Also, I am not right wing, left wing, con or lib or anything....I am me.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    And why does Walmart wipe out these smaller businesses? Because they sell the same products for MUCH less. No one in town is forced to go to Walmart. I am sure many Walmart customers don't want to see the local Ma and Pa stores die. But they want to save their hard earned money. So they go to the stores that offer them the most goods for the least money.
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    Pls. read Haymarket's earlier post about the mom & pop shop that tried to place products at WalMart. WM is constantly pushing its suppliers to provide them products for less cost; if they don't, they drop the supplier. So WM leans on suppliers who then have to cut THEIR labor costs and/or lean on THEIR suppliers. Pretty vicious, the way they get to the lower costs. They end up lowering the bar everywhere, instead of raising everyone's boats.

    Re corporations having no obligations except to their shareholders - someone posted this link earlier - about when corporations were initially set up in this country
    Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

    Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end. The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these*:
    Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
    Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
    Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
    Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
    Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
    Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.
    Being a corporation is not a "right" that exists out there. It's something granted by states, and states can set the rules that corporations need to follow. Unfortunately, corporations have managed to get the rules rigged in their favor.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1. Either way, your assertion then is wrong.

    2. Yes, you are free to accept a job at whomever is hiring, and you want to work for.

    3. Your bills or living situation is not any company's problem.

    4. I didn't say that everyone should be an entrepreneur. But, you answer your own selfish angst here. As you state not everyone is cut out to run a business so why should they get paid like they are?
    The problem is people do not have enough money to properly care for themselves and their family. Your "answer" to this is that it is THEIR problem so they can go **** themself.

    Thanks for the input big guy, you're quite the help.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    For the record, I am not against food stamps (I was against the recent cut in food stamps) and I support the government helping those that cannot help themselves.

    And where is your unbiased, factual proof that Walmart is underpaying it's employees? By what internationally recognized legal code or world-renowned moral book is Walmart's pay structure in violation of?

    Also, I am not right wing, left wing, con or lib or anything....I am me.
    Well its certainly not just Walmart, pay for the bottom 80% of workers is pretty dismal overall. No there is no violation, there is no rule, law, or otherwise that states they have to do anything. The point is there is a problem in that the middle class is increasingly getting weaker and less able to care for themselves financially.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Pls. read Haymarket's earlier post about the mom & pop shop that tried to place products at WalMart. WM is constantly pushing its suppliers to provide them products for less cost; if they don't, they drop the supplier. So WM leans on suppliers who then have to cut THEIR labor costs and/or lean on THEIR suppliers. Pretty vicious, the way they get to the lower costs. They end up lowering the bar everywhere, instead of raising everyone's boats.

    Re corporations having no obligations except to their shareholders - someone posted this link earlier - about when corporations were initially set up in this country
    Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States



    Being a corporation is not a "right" that exists out there. It's something granted by states, and states can set the rules that corporations need to follow. Unfortunately, corporations have managed to get the rules rigged in their favor.
    1) So Walmart forces their suppliers to become more efficient? Good...more efficient stores offer superior products for less money. Which leaves consumers with more money to buy other things.

    2) And where is this internationally recognized book of morals that states that a company must pay it's employees enough to live on?

    Is there such a book? Yes or no, please?


    And finally, anyone that does not like Walmart is free to not shop there.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Well its certainly not just Walmart, pay for the bottom 80% of workers is pretty dismal overall. No there is no violation, there is no rule, law, or otherwise that states they have to do anything. The point is there is a problem in that the middle class is increasingly getting weaker and less able to care for themselves financially.
    I agree there is a problem.

    Then why does the middle class keep supporting massive bailouts to gigantic corporations? Why did the middle class generally seem to agree with the Fed bailing out lousy banks with over a trillion dollars? Why do the masses support a Fed that clearly exists to prop up it's Wall Street banking buddies? Why do the masses keep electing POTUS's that support cronyism?

    I think the middle class is being eroded because America is losing it's edge due to MASSIVE government interventions in corporations that pay these politicians (directly and indirectly) to do just that.

    I say force corporations to live and die without ANY government assistance.

    Stop having the government intervene in the economy. They have been intervening for over a decade...and what has it accomplished? It has made things worse. The rich are getting MUCH richer, the poor are getting more numerous, the middle class are getting poorer and the national debt is skyrocketing. It's not working.

    The government should help those who cannot (as opposed to will not) help themselves. Help the poor, the sick and the elderly.

    But stay out of the economy...leave that to the people.

    If they do that, lousy companies will die, healthy ones will thrive and America can grow again...and the middle class will grow along with them...IMO.

    Stop trusting the government/Fed America and start trusting in yourselves.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Anyone who walks into a Wal-Mart, knowing what they are, is so self centered and greedy I doubt they are even remotely willing to help someone else unless there is a tax break in it for them.
    Consumerism is NOT sustainable
    Boycott Black Friday!

    Its not just about "wal-mart" that is just the tip of the iceberg
    Really the problem is CONSUMERISM!

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