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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Haymarket, I appreciate the many good points you have made on this thread. Thanks for posting!

    Lursa - Hi there too!! Just wanted to say re your posts - it's easy to say people don't have to work minimum wage jobs - but when the recession hit, even people with degrees were taking minimum wage jobs because nothing else was available.

    However, I do agree that educating our young people (or re-educating older people!) is vital ; while all kids should be encouraged to go to college if possible, not all kids want to do that, and so we need strong vo-tech programs right alongside strong college-bound courses. And kids should probably take courses from both sides of the curriculum. (My step-kids ended up not going to a 4 yr college; but we told them that while in high school, even if they weren't sure about college, they should act as though they were going and take all the right courses; you can always decide later not to go if it's not right for you. Unfortunately, vo-tech has been so reduced in so many schools, they weren't able to really take any classes along those lines, and I do think the older one would have really enjoyed being a carpenter if she had been exposed to classes in it... sadly, can't get her to go into apprenticeship training in a trade now that she's out of school)

    And yes, while WalMart is the obvious example to use about stores coming in, demanding things from local cities/counties, driving down wages and closing locally owned stores - no, they aren't the only one out there with rapacious business practices. They are just the biggest bullies out there, so it's convenient to use them as the example.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I see nothing wrong with what WalMart is doing.

    They advertise jobs at a legal wage.

    People voluntarily apply (and some are accepted) for those jobs.

    Realizing that many of their employees do not make enough money to have a Christmas dinner, they start a food drive.

    There is nothing remotely illegal or immoral with anything there.

    No one put a gun to their employees heads to work there for those wages, the decision was completely their own...as is there decision to continue to work there.


    WalMart does not owe anyone a living. They are under zero obligation to make sure their wages cover all their employees expenses.

    Their job is to legally make as much money for the shareholders/owners as possible. That is all they ethically need to worry about. And that is all they should worry about. Free enterprise best works when legal greed is allowed to flourish.

    And if people do not like the way they do that, then they can stop shopping there. If enough stop shopping their, Walmart goes out of business.

    But considering Walmart is gigantic and growing, obviously huge numbers do not object to their business model.


    And btw - I could care less what people call Christmas.
    That may be so but I would also point out that the people do not owe businesses such as that tax breaks out the yahoo too. And like you I do not care if people call Christmas "presents day".
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post

    And yes, while WalMart is the obvious example to use about stores coming in, demanding things from local cities/counties, driving down wages and closing locally owned stores - no, they aren't the only one out there with rapacious business practices. They are just the biggest bullies out there, so it's convenient to use them as the example.
    Yes, you are correct that other big corporations flex their muscles also. I suspect that WM does so more than most simply because of their size. The A&E cable channel had a great multi part special a few years ago and part of it was tracking a middle aged couple who tried to get their product into WM. They used to see the item ( apologize because I do not remember what it was) at flea markets, craft fairs and places like that and got connected with WM. Long story short is that they spent two years and their entire savings trying to make one modification after another at the request of the company only to be told in the end that WM would make an initial order at a predetermined price and they simply could not produce it for that and make any money.

    So instead of having a little cottage industry making them some vacation money each year - they were seduced and abandoned and ended up with nothing and losing their savings. It was really sad to watch.

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    I think this is it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dl0Pwcy3nM

    If anybody watches it, please let me know or I will keep on looking to find the right one.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    That may be so but I would also point out that the people do not owe businesses such as that tax breaks out the yahoo too. And like you I do not care if people call Christmas "presents day".
    For the record, I am TOTALLY against bailing out corporations or 'too big to fail' or corporatism or ANY government aid to ANY corporation.

    I am also against corporate tax or taxes on any business (no matter how big or small) as I think it just makes it that much harder for businesses to succeed.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That ride doesnt suck for everyone. Even us regular folks that arent rich.

    How come?


    (PS. I'm a Democrat and mostly liberal)
    Well I'm exaggerating, its more like an 80/20 split. You also may be an illness away from ruin.

    The point is the majority of America is getting the shaft by those that take 90% of the pie.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Well I'm exaggerating, its more like an 80/20 split. You also may be an illness away from ruin.

    The point is the majority of America is getting the shaft by those that take 90% of the pie.
    The "pie" is not finite, so your OWS rhetoric fails.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The "pie" is not finite, so your OWS rhetoric fails.
    Mostly it is, so your Wall Street Journal propaganda fails.

    EDIT: So I'm curious j-mac...

    If say you work for a corporation and the profit is split 95% to the CEO / high paid executives / shareholders and the other 5% goes to the other workers, how is this not a pie?
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    1. WalMart does not owe anyone a living. They are under zero obligation to make sure their wages cover all their employees expenses.....

    2. Their job is to legally make as much money for the shareholders/owners as possible. That is all they ethically need to worry about.

    3. And if people do not like the way they do that, then they can stop shopping there. If enough stop shopping their, Walmart goes out of business...
    1. Employers have a moral obligation to pay full-time workers enough to live on. They don't have to pay enough to support six kids, but at least one kid.

    2. That is true and the reason why the legal framework for corporations should be eliminated. It enables sociopathic organizations. In the past the greed of business owners was tempered by their need to maintain a decent reputation in the community. Now no one is held responsible for the decisions made by corporations, legally or ethically.

    3. The local businesses paying their employees livable wages tend to get wiped out when Walmart comes to town. Eventually the customers lose their access to competing businesses.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    1. Employers have a moral obligation to pay full-time workers enough to live on. They don't have to pay enough to support six kids, but at least one kid.

    2. That is true and the reason why the legal framework for corporations should be eliminated. It enables sociopathic organizations. In the past the greed of business owners was tempered by their need to maintain a decent reputation in the community. Now no one is held responsible for the decisions made by corporations, legally or ethically.

    3. The local businesses paying their employees livable wages tend to get wiped out when Walmart comes to town. Eventually the customers lose their access to competing businesses.
    Its kind of funny the right complains about welfare, food stamps, etc. But then when it comes to rich corps underpaying their employees that put people in such a position they're fine with it and just come up with more excuses.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Mostly it is, so your Wall Street Journal propaganda fails.

    EDIT: So I'm curious j-mac...

    If say you work for a corporation and the profit is split 95% to the CEO / high paid executives / shareholders and the other 5% goes to the other workers, how is this not a pie?
    1. Your hypothesis is wrong.

    2. You are not forced to work there.

    3. Once you agree to work for a certain wage, you don't then "own" the job.

    4. New wealth is created every day. So, no, it isn't static.
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