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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Probably no difference at all when you come down to it. Every business looks to maximize its advantages and WM is simply the biggest player in the game and has the power and clout to take that maximization of advantage way further than most others.

    I had a friend who sat on a township board and WM came to them and wanted to build a superstore. They told me horror stories of "negotiating" with WM. I use the term "negotiating" loosely because you do not do that as much as bend over the table and hope you get a little KY to make it tolerable.

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    Couldn't the 'township board' have easily avoided the 'ky necessity' by merely saying no?
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Probably no difference at all when you come down to it. Every business looks to maximize its advantages and WM is simply the biggest player in the game and has the power and clout to take that maximization of advantage way further than most others.

    I had a friend who sat on a township board and WM came to them and wanted to build a superstore. They told me horror stories of "negotiating" with WM. I use the term "negotiating" loosely because you do not do that as much as bend over the table and hope you get a little KY to make it tolerable.

    And greeting right back to you Polgara.
    The city I live in took a vote on whether or not to allow Wal-Mart to build here. The people voted no, because we have many small businesses run by people who live in our community. They support our sport teams, are active in our community, and are good neighbors. Loyalty is important! There is a Wal-Mart about 4 miles away in an adjoining community for those who like to shop there, so few were inconvenienced, and all worked out well.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    Yes, but I'm not talking about migrations...which are still going on today if you haven't read the news; and migrations will intensify in the years to come as millions try to flee dry, overheating tropic zone regions that become virtually unlivable.

    What's happening now, is that the masters of the universe, the people who work mostly behind the scenes and buy politicians rather than step up and engage directly in politics, thought they were engineering their way to a world where international corporations would make nation state governments obsolete and irrelevant....at least regarding their interests! But, instead, what has happened is that rising energy costs and resource prices, keep putting the brakes on economic growth when it rises too high. From what I've read in recent years, higher oil prices have put a crimp in China's plans for mass exporting of steel products to western and other foreign markets. Higher transportation costs start to outweigh the cheap prices of production by low wage earners. Steel is heavy and entails higher transportation costs for obvious reasons, so it's no surprise that international trade in steel would be first affected by the problem of Peak Oil. But, agribusiness is also getting whacked with the same stick, as growing fruits and vegetables in California and shipping them across the country, used to undercut the prices of locally produced produce....but, not anymore! Now, there has quietly been a revival in local, small scale agriculture again, and a lot of the reason is simply that it is once again cheaper to buy local produce when it's in season.

    What many trend analysts see for the future is a winding down of large cities and more people moving back to small towns that were almost abandoned in recent decades, and starting up small farms or small businesses. This is a relocalization that is occurring, not by planning or design, but as a response to changing times. My point was that some of the changes to adapt to a future world of scarce resources is already starting to happen; but the question is still will change back to sustainable agriculture and relocalization be fast enough to avoid a crash?

    To me, the silver lining here regarding corporate avarice by Walmart is that they will be big losers in the future, as there schemes of slave labour production of cheap products starts losing to high transportation costs, plus higher transport costs mean empty shelves in stores that are run using Just In Time inventory control systems. The mom and pop stores may be on the way back, while Walmart and similar edifices of globalization become empty warehouses!


    The problem for coops is that they don't have the clout with government that the corporations who do, who already own most of the politicians. From some recent reports from Spain I've read, the Mondragon Cooperatives are in peril right now, because the government of recession-ravaged Spain is willing to sacrifice them in the interests of their corporate masters.

    When it comes to living in communes....that's really stretching further off the topic, because, as previously mentioned, the levels of trust required to maintain a viable commune make it a living arrangement that won't work in the transient society we live in today. However, if we consider a relatively recent phenomena of younger people who have decided to divide up monster homes, that were designed as single family dwellings in the pre-recession days, maybe communal life is closer than we think!
    People arent going to live out farther from the cities in any great numbers. The energy (transport) costs wont support it. "Localization" still requires GOING to the FOOD and MOVING the food. And that is just one point. Living on ANY piece of property, even with a yard, requires WORK. Many people choose apts and condos to avoid that work, much less contribute any produce or other product to their community. Just one second point. How about land? Do we want to see MORE open space eaten up by human habitation? Ugh.

    As as for communes, closed social groups, and private businesses run based on socialism...all those things are workable and even encouraged in our society...at least the socialized coops and medical groups,etc. They ALL work for the people that choose that. Anyone can do it. It's not workable on a scale where the *people* arent interested. And not from the govt-enforced standpoint either, which I'm completely against.

    This conversation doesnt really apply to this thread anymore, if you want to continue it elsewhere, that's fine.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    The big kids have rigged the economy so that the top players take home 99% of the pie and everyone else gets ****ed and then right-wingers spend 40 pages justifying it with whatever bs they can spin. You guys think you're part of the a-team but you're just patsies that are being taken for a ride with everyone else.
    That ride doesnt suck for everyone. Even us regular folks that arent rich.

    How come?


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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    So no problem - let's just raise the minimum wage so that people who are making it and working over 32 hours a week don't qualify for food stamps and can pay for health insurance.

    Problem solved. WalMart can keep paying minimum wage, but we are no longer subsidizing them.
    Hi there!


    I still believe that a higher min wage will raise prices...esp basic consumer goods and services...and we'll be back to square one. No real gain. But I do agree that they should give more hours and provide more affordable benefits packages to employees. Places where I've worked, they've broken it down to show what the company paid per employee and how that figured into our overall 'income.'

    But Walmart and big corps arent the only ones that do that....give workers fewer hrs so they dont have to give them full or any benefits. Most city/county/state govts do it too. And I know of some hospitals.

    There is NO reason why a person that is physically or mentally capable has to remain at a minimum wage paying job for years. That is their choice....intentional or otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Weird...wasn't the consumer complicit in this somehow?
    absolutely... no doubt about it. Short term gain for long term pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Couldn't the 'township board' have easily avoided the 'ky necessity' by merely saying no?
    sure ..... just like the single mother of four can say NO to the jerk who asks to move in with her and will bring his 660 bucks a week with him.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    The city I live in took a vote on whether or not to allow Wal-Mart to build here. The people voted no, because we have many small businesses run by people who live in our community. They support our sport teams, are active in our community, and are good neighbors. Loyalty is important! There is a Wal-Mart about 4 miles away in an adjoining community for those who like to shop there, so few were inconvenienced, and all worked out well.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually it is not. Walmart takes advantage of the economic conditions and they do it extremely well. They are taking advantage of the reality that there is little place any longer for low skilled and low educated people in good paying factory jobs.
    What we really need to look at is why we are producing so many people like this.


    And then next, we need to make sure there are good jobs FOR skilled and educated workers. There is a shortage right now (altho that is not always the case). But IMO it's more important to produce the better workforce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What we really need to look at is why we are producing so many people like this.


    And then next, we need to make sure there are good jobs FOR skilled and educated workers. There is a shortage right now (altho that is not always the case). But IMO it's more important to produce the better workforce.
    excellent question. Can we avoid reality?

    Think about this: on the standard IQ scale, 100 is considered as average and the midpoint of the population. So what do we do with the scores of millions who are below that?
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