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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Walmart drive down wages in the communities where they are located. Before Walmarts moves in, people generally work for smaller employers and get better pay. Often those businesses go under due to Walmart low prices. If all employers were required to pay a minimum wage that is a livable wage then Walmart would not be able to drive their competition out of business so easily and tax payer subsidies for so many of their employees would not be necessary. Yes, their prices would not be so low, but that savings for individuals is negated by the overall cost to the community. This is why many communities are trying to stop Walmart from moving in.
    Damn that heartless, efficient capitalism thing.

    Know what you sound like? You sound like one of these southern rednecks down here who fear change. Their tried-and-true methods have worked "for them" since they can remember, and anyone who comes around with something bigger, better, and more current is strange and makes them afraid.

    Wal-mart is keeping up with the times - although it seems like some people are afraid of that.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    There's no reason why we should have to accept every change that the corporations impose on us.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    There's no reason why we should have to accept every change that the corporations impose on us.
    It's not imposed, and they aren't asking for your acceptance.

    You are not opposing corporations, you are opposing a naturally occurring fact of reality:
    Economies of scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Ultimately you would need to build a reasonably case why your personal preferences about this subject trump other peoples individual freedom in the marketplace. That seems like a hard case to make.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    "Re-localization movement" LOLOLOL

    That has been mankind's survival strategy since we evolved. Migrate to the food, the resources, the jobs. The last major migrations took place in the US during the Industrial Revolution and then from farms to cities in the 40s-50s. So it's nothing new and makes total sense. And that's also why it BS that people say that they dont have a choice when they work for years at Walmart.
    Yes, but I'm not talking about migrations...which are still going on today if you haven't read the news; and migrations will intensify in the years to come as millions try to flee dry, overheating tropic zone regions that become virtually unlivable.

    What's happening now, is that the masters of the universe, the people who work mostly behind the scenes and buy politicians rather than step up and engage directly in politics, thought they were engineering their way to a world where international corporations would make nation state governments obsolete and irrelevant....at least regarding their interests! But, instead, what has happened is that rising energy costs and resource prices, keep putting the brakes on economic growth when it rises too high. From what I've read in recent years, higher oil prices have put a crimp in China's plans for mass exporting of steel products to western and other foreign markets. Higher transportation costs start to outweigh the cheap prices of production by low wage earners. Steel is heavy and entails higher transportation costs for obvious reasons, so it's no surprise that international trade in steel would be first affected by the problem of Peak Oil. But, agribusiness is also getting whacked with the same stick, as growing fruits and vegetables in California and shipping them across the country, used to undercut the prices of locally produced produce....but, not anymore! Now, there has quietly been a revival in local, small scale agriculture again, and a lot of the reason is simply that it is once again cheaper to buy local produce when it's in season.

    What many trend analysts see for the future is a winding down of large cities and more people moving back to small towns that were almost abandoned in recent decades, and starting up small farms or small businesses. This is a relocalization that is occurring, not by planning or design, but as a response to changing times. My point was that some of the changes to adapt to a future world of scarce resources is already starting to happen; but the question is still will change back to sustainable agriculture and relocalization be fast enough to avoid a crash?

    To me, the silver lining here regarding corporate avarice by Walmart is that they will be big losers in the future, as there schemes of slave labour production of cheap products starts losing to high transportation costs, plus higher transport costs mean empty shelves in stores that are run using Just In Time inventory control systems. The mom and pop stores may be on the way back, while Walmart and similar edifices of globalization become empty warehouses!
    As for communal living...have at it. I believe in socialism or any other basis for an economic system as long as it's not our govt doing it. Coops and socialist-type businesses and orgs can do very well economically. There are some very good models, for both services and goods. I'm all for it, as long as it remains private and not something the govt forces on us.
    The problem for coops is that they don't have the clout with government that the corporations who do, who already own most of the politicians. From some recent reports from Spain I've read, the Mondragon Cooperatives are in peril right now, because the government of recession-ravaged Spain is willing to sacrifice them in the interests of their corporate masters.

    When it comes to living in communes....that's really stretching further off the topic, because, as previously mentioned, the levels of trust required to maintain a viable commune make it a living arrangement that won't work in the transient society we live in today. However, if we consider a relatively recent phenomena of younger people who have decided to divide up monster homes, that were designed as single family dwellings in the pre-recession days, maybe communal life is closer than we think!

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    Yes, but I'm not talking about migrations...which are still going on today if you haven't read the news; and migrations will intensify in the years to come as millions try to flee dry, overheating tropic zone regions that become virtually unlivable.

    What's happening now, is that the masters of the universe, the people who work mostly behind the scenes and buy politicians rather than step up and engage directly in politics, thought they were engineering their way to a world where international corporations would make nation state governments obsolete and irrelevant....at least regarding their interests! But, instead, what has happened is that rising energy costs and resource prices, keep putting the brakes on economic growth when it rises too high. From what I've read in recent years, higher oil prices have put a crimp in China's plans for mass exporting of steel products to western and other foreign markets. Higher transportation costs start to outweigh the cheap prices of production by low wage earners. Steel is heavy and entails higher transportation costs for obvious reasons, so it's no surprise that international trade in steel would be first affected by the problem of Peak Oil. But, agribusiness is also getting whacked with the same stick, as growing fruits and vegetables in California and shipping them across the country, used to undercut the prices of locally produced produce....but, not anymore! Now, there has quietly been a revival in local, small scale agriculture again, and a lot of the reason is simply that it is once again cheaper to buy local produce when it's in season.

    What many trend analysts see for the future is a winding down of large cities and more people moving back to small towns that were almost abandoned in recent decades, and starting up small farms or small businesses. This is a relocalization that is occurring, not by planning or design, but as a response to changing times. My point was that some of the changes to adapt to a future world of scarce resources is already starting to happen; but the question is still will change back to sustainable agriculture and relocalization be fast enough to avoid a crash?

    To me, the silver lining here regarding corporate avarice by Walmart is that they will be big losers in the future, as there schemes of slave labour production of cheap products starts losing to high transportation costs, plus higher transport costs mean empty shelves in stores that are run using Just In Time inventory control systems. The mom and pop stores may be on the way back, while Walmart and similar edifices of globalization become empty warehouses!


    The problem for coops is that they don't have the clout with government that the corporations who do, who already own most of the politicians. From some recent reports from Spain I've read, the Mondragon Cooperatives are in peril right now, because the government of recession-ravaged Spain is willing to sacrifice them in the interests of their corporate masters.

    When it comes to living in communes....that's really stretching further off the topic, because, as previously mentioned, the levels of trust required to maintain a viable commune make it a living arrangement that won't work in the transient society we live in today. However, if we consider a relatively recent phenomena of younger people who have decided to divide up monster homes, that were designed as single family dwellings in the pre-recession days, maybe communal life is closer than we think!
    The communist governments around the world just never could get that economics thing to agree with them. Economics does not agree with you either.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    The big kids have rigged the economy so that the top players take home 99% of the pie and everyone else gets ****ed and then right-wingers spend 40 pages justifying it with whatever bs they can spin. You guys think you're part of the a-team but you're just patsies that are being taken for a ride with everyone else.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Well it appears that a Cleveland, Ohio Walmart is holding a food drive so that it's employees can have a nice Holiday meal. The sign in the store, accompanied by several plastic bins, reads: "Please donate food items so associates in need can enjoy Thanksgiving dinner."

    Really? Thank goodness those people are employed so those associates don't have to get on food stamps.

    What cracks me up with some people that see nothing wrong with what Walmart is doing would probably go berserk if you wished them "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas."
    I see nothing wrong with what WalMart is doing.

    They advertise jobs at a legal wage.

    People voluntarily apply (and some are accepted) for those jobs.

    Realizing that many of their employees do not make enough money to have a Christmas dinner, they start a food drive.

    There is nothing remotely illegal or immoral with anything there.

    No one put a gun to their employees heads to work there for those wages, the decision was completely their own...as is there decision to continue to work there.


    WalMart does not owe anyone a living. They are under zero obligation to make sure their wages cover all their employees expenses.

    Their job is to legally make as much money for the shareholders/owners as possible. That is all they ethically need to worry about. And that is all they should worry about. Free enterprise best works when legal greed is allowed to flourish.

    And if people do not like the way they do that, then they can stop shopping there. If enough stop shopping their, Walmart goes out of business.

    But considering Walmart is gigantic and growing, obviously huge numbers do not object to their business model.


    And btw - I could care less what people call Christmas.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    The communist governments around the world just never could get that economics thing to agree with them. Economics does not agree with you either.
    Not that it has anything to do with the topic here, but tell me about your economic theories and how helpful they can be for the world today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    The big kids have rigged the economy so that the top players take home 99% of the pie and everyone else gets ****ed and then right-wingers spend 40 pages justifying it with whatever bs they can spin. You guys think you're part of the a-team but you're just patsies that are being taken for a ride with everyone else.
    I sometimes wonder if it's just an aspect of how conservatives are authoritarians at heart, and love to worship the powerful, or whether the rumours I read a few years back are actually true that some conservative think tanks go beyond funding favourite right wing bloggers, to actually giving cash rewards to useful drones that parrot their propaganda on forums and news site comment threads!

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    I sometimes wonder if it's just an aspect of how conservatives are authoritarians at heart, and love to worship the powerful, or whether the rumours I read a few years back are actually true that some conservative think tanks go beyond funding favourite right wing bloggers, to actually giving cash rewards to useful drones that parrot their propaganda on forums and news site comment threads!
    Nah, I think the majority of them support economic-authoritarian pseudo-libertarians.

    "Such people simply want to get rid of minimum wage laws, worker safety regulations, anti-trust regulations, regulations on pollution, and any other regulations that enforce good business practices, without replacing them with non-governmental libertarian solutions such as property rights and the right of self-defense, such that they can create a situation of de facto dependence-based tyranny to force anything onto workers, customers, and/or the environment. They also want to get rid of income taxes and capital gains taxes, just so that they can keep all of the money that they steal. Such types often support the Unfair Tax, and they often venerate Ayn Rand and her selfishness-is-a-virtue dogma."Pseudo-libertarian - Libertapedia, the libertarian encyclopedia

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