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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Same with the people that shop there.

    And individual taxpayers take every single break they can as well...what, do people turn them down 'for the greater good?'

    Walmart is not responsible for people that TAKE their jobs yet cannot support themselves. Those people should take other jobs then. Or, is it Walmart's fault too that they cant/wont do so?
    Walmart should up the pay. They still bank profit, less tax money is used on those employee's welfare checks. More money in the employee's pocket makes a happier, loyal and more productive employee who will spend a chunk of that money at their place of employment. It's a win win for everyone.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    My twin sisters in law both work at walmart and go to school. They have no problems at all working and going to school, they say walmart is pretty flexible with hours to fit their schedule. They say they like working there and besides some usual complaints about customers acting like idiots (anyone working with the public will have that gripe) they are happy. One of them even met her future husband working there.

    Just IMO, your sisters are a good example of who and why people can make the most of working...at the current wages...at Walmart work *for them.* And then they'll move on.

    Service jobs at Walmart, etc should not be intended as a career unless one plans to move into management.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Walmart should up the pay. They still bank profit, less tax money is used on those employee's welfare checks. More money in the employee's pocket makes a happier, loyal and more productive employee who will spend a chunk of that money at their place of employment. It's a win win for everyone.
    "Should"

    Yes, that's always nice.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    I'm too lazy to google the Forbes articles referring to how much the average Super Walmart cost the American tax payer in food stamps, welfare, etc. (thereby subsidizing Walmart's profits), but if I remember correctly it is somewhere just under a $1-Million a year for each store. With thousands of stores, we are talking Billions going to the welfare state. And that's Billions in profit for Walmart.

    Isn't Jerry Brown in court right now suing for the right to fine Walmart if they don't provide health coverage? The average Walmart worker get's like $6000.00 a year in state funded medical care, so he is going to fine them the same . . . or something like that, I am too lazy as i said before, to look it up. Plus, if it is against Walmart, I am jaded . . . I hate them for what they did to the Mom & Pop's (I'm conservative that way). Rumor is good enough for me. Sam Walton would be turning over in his grave if he knew how his store was being run now.

    Logic and reason will not work with me . . . Walmart is evil.

    By no means is it 'Walmart's fault.' No forces anyone to work at Walmart. If you cant survive on Walmart's pay....DONT WORK THERE. But people do...and then abuse the safety net of public assistance. That is the individual, not a corporation.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Then perhaps it is not a viable alternative. Or it is only for some.

    But not IMO, something to aspire to change overall society towards.
    If we survive as a species, a lot of the changes that have to be made are already starting to happen -- such as the Re-localization Movements (especially when it comes to growing food, in many regions there has been a quiet, rarely reported move away from agribusiness to growing and buying food locally. Energy costs and resource scarcities are going to force changes that may make life in a few generations look almost exactly as it did prior to the Industrial Revolution.

    When it comes to communes and communal organization, that was the standard way of organizing family life until about 10,000 years ago, and worth noting that according to more recent anthropological evidence, most early settled communities did not establish patriarchal hierarchies as in the example of the city states of Sumer. In the Indus Valley during that time, cities such as Mohenjo Daro and Harappa were enforcing some degree of conformity as houses in the early period of those cities all followed the same floor plans; there were no palaces or temples, and what's known about family life indicates that they were matrilocal (men went to live with their wife's family after marriage). A lot of the changes we have accepted as products of civilization are in fact products of barbarian invasions...since warrior cultures tended to be patriarchal and extremely hierarchal....and I'm way off topic now so I'll stop here and make a note to post a topic on ancient civilizations at some time in the near future.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    If we survive as a species, a lot of the changes that have to be made are already starting to happen -- such as the Re-localization Movements (especially when it comes to growing food, in many regions there has been a quiet, rarely reported move away from agribusiness to growing and buying food locally. Energy costs and resource scarcities are going to force changes that may make life in a few generations look almost exactly as it did prior to the Industrial Revolution.

    When it comes to communes and communal organization, that was the standard way of organizing family life until about 10,000 years ago, and worth noting that according to more recent anthropological evidence, most early settled communities did not establish patriarchal hierarchies as in the example of the city states of Sumer. In the Indus Valley during that time, cities such as Mohenjo Daro and Harappa were enforcing some degree of conformity as houses in the early period of those cities all followed the same floor plans; there were no palaces or temples, and what's known about family life indicates that they were matrilocal (men went to live with their wife's family after marriage). A lot of the changes we have accepted as products of civilization are in fact products of barbarian invasions...since warrior cultures tended to be patriarchal and extremely hierarchal....and I'm way off topic now so I'll stop here and make a note to post a topic on ancient civilizations at some time in the near future.
    "Re-localization movement" LOLOLOL

    That has been mankind's survival strategy since we evolved. Migrate to the food, the resources, the jobs. The last major migrations took place in the US during the Industrial Revolution and then from farms to cities in the 40s-50s. So it's nothing new and makes total sense. And that's also why it BS that people say that they dont have a choice when they work for years at Walmart.

    As for communal living...have at it. I believe in socialism or any other basis for an economic system as long as it's not our govt doing it. Coops and socialist-type businesses and orgs can do very well economically. There are some very good models, for both services and goods. I'm all for it, as long as it remains private and not something the govt forces on us.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    They do have an operations standard that seems to work well, but they do offer lower prices (even lower than market) because of subsidies. It'd be nice if corporate subsidies for Wal-mart just ended. They still have enough goodwill built up that a product price increase to compete with everyone else would still not hurt business. But ah well.
    I agree

    The problem there is that these jobs are not designed to be self-sustaining. I honestly have no sympathy for people who live on minimum wage when everything possible is offered to them to prevent it, but refused because it took effort.
    I think we've had this debate before. There's only so many of certain types of jobs out there. It's dynamic long term but if everyone got an Engineering/Physics/Accounting etc degree then a lot of Engineers/Physicists/Accountants would be bagging groceries. The big difference between now and 40 years ago was that there were decent jobs that paid a living salary for people that didn't end up getting professional degrees. You always had the manufacturing job to fall back on. Now it's the Wal-Mart or burger flipping job.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Even in our low cost of living area where median household incomes are lower than the national average people at WalMart start at $8.45, not minimum wage. The speculation and assumptions about WalMart are often wrong. Again, if you really want to know, ask the people who work there. As has been pointed out several times in this thread, not everybody who works at WalMart is a destitute single mother. As a business owner I know a lot of other business owners including independent contractors. The nature of a lot of these small businesses and self employers is that income is variable. While WalMart is not a high paying job, it is a consistent paycheck. Several of my construction buddies have wives who work at WalMart for that anchor check because they are the single biggest low skilled employer in the area. It's a concept often lost on those who criticize such jobs. Not every job needs to be high skilled and high pay.

    One of my first jobs was in a bicycle shop. It was not just for the pay (which was not much) but for the benefits such as a hefty employee discount. I saved a lot of money on my first race bike. A good friend of mine works at WalMart for several of these reasons. First, her husband is a small business owner, he does house painting and light remodeling. Her 10% employee discount saves him money on supplies (she runs the paint department) plus gets a 10% discount on groceries. She is very active in our church too, you can bet she is using that 20% holiday discount from her job to donate to our church's food pantry, and she loads it up. Another friend there does it to make some money (his girlfriend makes considerably more than he does) without making enough to bump him out of state funded college. They are waiting to get married until after he graduates as an engineer for the same reason. There are instances where making less can be a benefit, at least for a while. Before I started my business I made too much for my wife to get state education funds, so we waited until I started the business. Due to our reduced income she was eligible for both the Hope Scholarship (state) and a Pell Grant (federal) and ended up getting her degree as a medical lab tech paying nothing out of pocket. Pretty much the same thing this guy is doing. Had we not done it that way we would not have been able to afford to pay for her schooling even of what I was making.
    Sure for some folk jobs like these are taken on the path to other things. As anybody that has worked at these jobs (I have as well through college) you also know that a lot of your co-workers will be working there or a similar place for the rest of their lives. A lot of them are also very hard workers.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Walmart should up the pay. They still bank profit, less tax money is used on those employee's welfare checks. More money in the employee's pocket makes a happier, loyal and more productive employee who will spend a chunk of that money at their place of employment. It's a win win for everyone.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    By no means is it 'Walmart's fault.' No forces anyone to work at Walmart. If you cant survive on Walmart's pay....DONT WORK THERE. But people do...and then abuse the safety net of public assistance. That is the individual, not a corporation.
    OK, how does that change the fact Walmart is being subsidized by the government to keep their employees healthy to the tune of $1-Million a store? What do we tell Walmart? I already know how you feel about the employees.

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