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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    "Should" is not a word in a successful business.

    If you want, there are small communes scattered throughout America that live something close to a Little House on the Prairie lifestyle. There, you can live your life totally happy on the concept of "should".
    Businesses can make a profit without being assholes. They may not be able to make the most profit, but they can have a successful operation. That is what they should strive for; like I said, people before profit, period.

    I don't understand how the people can make these types of decisions and be able to sleep at night.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

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    Businesses can make a profit without being assholes. They may not be able to make the most profit, but they can have a successful operation. That is what they should strive for; like I said, people before profit, period.

    I don't understand how the people can make these types of decisions and be able to sleep at night.
    Three guesses what the single largest employer in America is - and the first two don't count.

    They pay a federally legal minimum wage (more, actually) to more than two million employees. This is an agreed upon wage. It is not slavery. It is not coercion. It is not indentured servitude.

    They do much less harm than good in America. Also, they do pay a "liveable wage". What they don't pay is a "steak-every-weekend-new-car-every-other-year-apple-iphone-every-six-months" wage.

    You will never win any economic argument when you take a stance that people owe you a damn thing other than an agreed upon wage and set of circumstances.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    So Walmart is supposed to pay its workers a market-inefficient wage just so they don't qualify for certain government benefits? I'm sorry, is Wal-mart no longer a private enterprise anymore? Does the government own them?

    Your argument is absurd.
    Walmart drive down wages in the communities where they are located. Before Walmarts moves in, people generally work for smaller employers and get better pay. Often those businesses go under due to Walmart low prices. If all employers were required to pay a minimum wage that is a livable wage then Walmart would not be able to drive their competition out of business so easily and tax payer subsidies for so many of their employees would not be necessary. Yes, their prices would not be so low, but that savings for individuals is negated by the overall cost to the community. This is why many communities are trying to stop Walmart from moving in.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

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    Businesses can make a profit without being assholes. They may not be able to make the most profit, but they can have a successful operation. That is what they should strive for; like I said, people before profit, period.

    I don't understand how the people can make these types of decisions and be able to sleep at night.
    In the past many business people's behavior was somewhat constrained by the need to remain respected in their community. Now with corporations, billionaire owners jet setting around the world, and thousands of stock holders owning businesses, there is no social pressure to pay a living wage or deal with competition in a fair manner. Business has evolved into a system where the sleaziest people win most of the time.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Walmart drive down wages in the communities where they are located. Before Walmarts moves in, people generally work for smaller employers and get better pay. Often those businesses go under due to Walmart low prices. If all employers were required to pay a minimum wage that is a livable wage then Walmart would not be able to drive their competition out of business so easily and tax payer subsidies for so many of their employees would not be necessary. Yes, their prices would not be so low, but that savings for individuals is negated by the overall cost to the community. This is why many communities are trying to stop Walmart from moving in.
    "Liveable" wages are a fantasy. Tell me an exact dollar amount of a living wage.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Businesses can make a profit without being assholes. They may not be able to make the most profit, but they can have a successful operation. That is what they should strive for; like I said, people before profit, period.

    I don't understand how the people can make these types of decisions and be able to sleep at night.
    Walmart was the first private company to get supplies to New Orleans after Katrina.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps they should pull an Oprah Winfrey and give all there employees "brand new cars" too, right?

    After Walmart gives all their deserving employees all these additional benefits and increases in wages, are you going to force people to shop there when all their prices skyrocket? Because you know, don't you, that people aren't going to pay more for a package of toilet paper simply because the Walmart clan pays better wages and benefits.
    Prices wouldnt "skyrocket." Wages arent the bulk of such a company's expenditures. Last year, WalMart spend $7.6 billion buying back shares of its own company. That money could have raised the pay of its low-wage workers over $5/hour and not raised prices one penny. McDonald's HQ could eat the cost of paying double minimum wage, not raise prices one penny, and still make billions in profit. (and that's not even counting the profit of the franchise owners) Papa Johns could have provided every employee with a health insurance plan for like twelve cents per pizza. Ask a hundred people if they'd pay twelve cents per pizza knowing it meant the people who made it and the driver all had health insurance. I bet all of them would respond just like me:

    Here's a quarter. Get the deluxe plan.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Walmart was the first private company to get supplies to New Orleans after Katrina.
    Oh well in that case I'm totally fine with their dumping billions of dollars in welfare and food stamp costs onto the rest of the country.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Walmart drive down wages in the communities where they are located. Before Walmarts moves in, people generally work for smaller employers and get better pay. Often those businesses go under due to Walmart low prices. If all employers were required to pay a minimum wage that is a livable wage then Walmart would not be able to drive their competition out of business so easily and tax payer subsidies for so many of their employees would not be necessary. Yes, their prices would not be so low, but that savings for individuals is negated by the overall cost to the community. This is why many communities are trying to stop Walmart from moving in.
    Doing a quick online search, the one paper I came up with looked at one county and accounted for less than a %1 drop in wages. As a personal anecdote, when a walmart came to my area, it opened numerous employment oppertunities, payed a bit better than most of the local retail outlets, allowed for a lower monthly goods bill, and gaver the comsumer a much greater choice in what they were purchasing.

    Now, I'm not the biggest fan of walmart myself, but I hardly find one study dependent on one county the most convincing piece of evidence to draw conclusions from, especially when such is contradicted by my personal experience.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh well in that case I'm totally fine with their dumping billions of dollars in welfare and food stamp costs onto the rest of the country.
    I'm not sure walmart is responsible for that, being I can't imagine these people making significantly better wages at other retail positions. It seems these people would be low-skill, low-demand workers if walmart was present or not

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