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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And you have proof, somehow, that the needy employees are "fully employed and still needy"? Couldn't be someone working 10 hours a week, could it? Couldn't be someone who just lost a spouse in a car accident or through illness and money is tight? Couldn't be someone who's just had twins and is now on maternity leave and doesn't have as much disposable income any more?

    You know, there is all kinds of need out there. For me, personally, I could give a rat's ass how or why a charitable drive was set up - I just say, thank God people care enough to think of it and God bless those who participate. The ones who stand on the sidelines and gripe about it or use it to drive some agenda are lower than a rat's ass, in my book.
    Oh, how charitable to ignore the underlying problems. You don't get to claim moral superiority for supporting charity and simultaneously supporting a system that causes charity to be needed.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Actually for the most part I admire Wal-Mart. They take keeping cost low seriously. Their corporate office is an old WalMart warehouse. Their inventory and supply chain system is innovative and has set the standard. There's a lot of things they do very well and deserve to be successful and yes put less efficient companies out of business.
    They do have an operations standard that seems to work well, but they do offer lower prices (even lower than market) because of subsidies. It'd be nice if corporate subsidies for Wal-mart just ended. They still have enough goodwill built up that a product price increase to compete with everyone else would still not hurt business. But ah well.

    It's not like it's a new idea that someone should pay a wage for someone to live on. Adam Smith criticized shop owners that didn't pay workers a wage that allowed them to sustain themselves. What's new is this idea that applauds squeezing workers as much as possible in order to increase gains for the owners.
    The problem there is that these jobs are not designed to be self-sustaining. I honestly have no sympathy for people who live on minimum wage when everything possible is offered to them to prevent it, but refused because it took effort.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Oh, how charitable to ignore the underlying problems. You don't get to claim moral superiority for supporting charity and simultaneously supporting a system that causes charity to be needed.
    Charity is needed because people are born - period. They're different and have different circumstances. Charity is not needed because Walmart employs people at a certain wage. Walmart is not the underlying cause of need. That's just asinine.

    And again, I could give a rat's ass about people who want to criticize any attempt to afford people the opportunity to give. If that makes you feel inferior somehow - that's on you, not me - I certainly don't feel superior, morally or otherwise, because I don't judge why or under what circumstances people choose to give - I just thank God they do.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure...wouldn't you agree anything that makes it possible for WalMart to pay their employees wages they could never live on benefits WalMart? How long do you think their employees would take getting paid those wages if they couldn't feed their family/pay rent/clothe themselves etc etc?
    Even in our low cost of living area where median household incomes are lower than the national average people at WalMart start at $8.45, not minimum wage. The speculation and assumptions about WalMart are often wrong. Again, if you really want to know, ask the people who work there. As has been pointed out several times in this thread, not everybody who works at WalMart is a destitute single mother. As a business owner I know a lot of other business owners including independent contractors. The nature of a lot of these small businesses and self employers is that income is variable. While WalMart is not a high paying job, it is a consistent paycheck. Several of my construction buddies have wives who work at WalMart for that anchor check because they are the single biggest low skilled employer in the area. It's a concept often lost on those who criticize such jobs. Not every job needs to be high skilled and high pay.

    One of my first jobs was in a bicycle shop. It was not just for the pay (which was not much) but for the benefits such as a hefty employee discount. I saved a lot of money on my first race bike. A good friend of mine works at WalMart for several of these reasons. First, her husband is a small business owner, he does house painting and light remodeling. Her 10% employee discount saves him money on supplies (she runs the paint department) plus gets a 10% discount on groceries. She is very active in our church too, you can bet she is using that 20% holiday discount from her job to donate to our church's food pantry, and she loads it up. Another friend there does it to make some money (his girlfriend makes considerably more than he does) without making enough to bump him out of state funded college. They are waiting to get married until after he graduates as an engineer for the same reason. There are instances where making less can be a benefit, at least for a while. Before I started my business I made too much for my wife to get state education funds, so we waited until I started the business. Due to our reduced income she was eligible for both the Hope Scholarship (state) and a Pell Grant (federal) and ended up getting her degree as a medical lab tech paying nothing out of pocket. Pretty much the same thing this guy is doing. Had we not done it that way we would not have been able to afford to pay for her schooling even of what I was making.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Yeah, I googled them. Something like 350 stores, where Walmart has 11,000. Can't really compare the two.
    Why can't you compare them?

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I guess I must be getting old,because I always get these various donations mixed up in my head.

    This often leads me to a few embarrassing moments when I'm not sure whether the organization in question wants my blood, my sperm or my food.
    : I would be very interested in reading Lutherf's or humbolt's response to your post! Their unique outlook on life, coupled with their way with words, would be entertaining in the extreme, IMO! You guys are worth the price of admission to DP! :

    Good evening, Gardener.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I don't know too many families that have 15 kids anyhow.
    I was making an underlying point that someone not being aboe to support their family on a WM wage doesn't really speak too much. It's an empty talking point devoid of content and context

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's not like it's a new idea that someone should pay a wage for someone to live on. Adam Smith criticized shop owners that didn't pay workers a wage that allowed them to sustain themselves. What's new is this idea that applauds squeezing workers as much as possible in order to increase gains for the owners.
    for a kid fresh out of HS walmart does pay enough to live on. I'm not sure that such work should pay enough for someone to raise a family. It isn't exactly demanding and requires nothing more than a base level of physical fitness (basically, you need to operate at a level above being disabled)

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Actually, those financial institutions did break the law - that's why they paid hundreds of $billions in fines to the federal government - or did you just think they donated the money out of charitable good will?

    Clearly, you wouldn't want to work for Walmart - with your entitlement mentality, I'm pretty sure their not too distressed.
    No, I specifically mentioned financial instruments. Although, some laws were passed to put better regulations in place in 2010, they don't really protect us enough from risky derivitives trading.

    Also, you're glib comment is quite hypocritical. Walmart corporation feels entitled to have taxpayers pick up the tab for their employees. I feel it's Walmart's responsibility.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Stop & Shop competes with Walmart? I've never heard of them. Clearly, you have a very strange understanding of competition - but then, you don't seem to understand competition in the labor market either, so not too surprising.
    Perhaps, it's you that doesn't understand competition. Walmart wipes out the competition.

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