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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Actually it's more about a company asking others to to chip in because they pay their employees horrible salaries. They could actually of spent less buying back stock last year and paid their employees pretty much double minimum wage.
    They pay for the work done, not for the lifestyle of the employee.

    Also, I'd need to see the math on your claim about buy back stock and raising wages. Walmart has 1.6 billion shares held by outside parties with a total street value of $126 billion dollars. How much of that do you want them to buy back, exactly, and with what money?
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Here's a pointer for that strawman you're building
    Nah, it's a pretty accurate description. This thread is filled with people outraged that Wal-Mart would ask for donations from customers for their employees rather than raise their wages and charge customers more.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Nah, it's a pretty accurate description. This thread is filled with people outraged that Wal-Mart would ask for donations from customers for their employees rather than raise their wages and charge customers more.
    It's not full of anybody saying the government needs to swoop in and force them to take action. My point is simply that if they want their employees to have a nice holiday, it is entirely within their power and means to do something. They could, for example, not be open on Thanksgiving Day, but that's not going to happen.


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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I think you are missing the big picture. Wal-Mart itself is a big problem, but it's just one of the biggest examples of the same problem. The point is that they are obeying the law. Companies are free to set up shop in any country that will take them, it's just that there used to be incentives for keeping the work stateside (i.e. tariffs and protectionist treaties).

    The problem is market forces and how, in a lowly-regulated global system, these forces compel companies to move production to the cheapest parts of the world. That's nothing but a logical competitive reaction of the company to the laws of our country. Of course this is all at the same time encouraged by our reverence for unfettered capitalism and free trade. But when the same products are made by the same amount of people for less and less, and most of the new profit goes to 4 of the richest billionaires alive, while they encourage their customers to donate back some of the money they saved to their needy workers, isn't that perverse?

    You can't talk about bringing back industry at home until you resolve the laws and regulations that allow companies to move production overseas.

    And I get confused on the conservative position of how much personal responsibility poor people should have? It's their fault because they didn't get a higher degree and more training? I thought Rick Santorum said it was snobby to suggest that everyone should go to college. And what about our grandparents, wasn't working in a factory good enough for them? If their factory closed and a Wal-Mart opened next door, wouldn't that be the likely place for them to have to work to get by? And why should getting a college degree necessarily make you more competitive, there's more of us every year and not enough jobs to support the educated class.
    Where to start?

    1. I don't know what gave you the impression that I'm a devotee of Rick Santorum. Why is it that when confronted with an argument, liberals always want to through out some "wacko-bird" as the spokesperson for a who segment of society? My words speak for themselves - they're my opinions and do not rely on the words of anyone else - I would never suggest that you walk in lockstep with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz or Barbara Boxer.

    2. Indeed - my father worked in a factory - he had very little formal education, served in the navy during WW2, and came back to Canada and was basically only skilled enough to work in a factory setting. He and my mother provided a good life for me and my brothers, but nothing fancy and pretty much on the poor end of the scale. But my parents made damn sure that my brothers and I had a better life than they did and insisted on us finishing university. I owe my parents a lot for wanting more for me than just some factory job or minimum wage "career".

    3. I'm not the one claiming any job "isn't good enough". I honor every job and the people who hold them. But I don't assign an equal value to society of every job in society. I'm not socialistic in that regard. I don't believe a doctor or lawyer or architect or electrical engineer should have their skills devalued to meet some artificial societal norm any more than I believe that someone who dropped out of school or who ended their education at an early stage should have their skills overvalued to meet some artificial societal norm that gives them a "living wage". Choices in life bring consequences in life - most parents teach their children these lessons but not all children heed the message.

    4. I can't speak for Americans, but here in Canada we don't aspire to careers in minimum wage jobs nor do we believe that we need to make and distribute every little do-hickey known to man. We did that, after the wars, when we needed to employ people and make goods the country needed. We've moved past that stage - we now want more for both ourselves and for our children. We're quite satisfied to let people in Asia make dishtowels and other everyday virtually disposable items that we use but that don't define who we are. We want hi-tech, financial, research, healthcare, etc. jobs that acknowledge the superior brain power we possess. We'd rather get paid for using our heads rather than using our hands. But there will always be those who can't find their calling or their niche in that economy and they will have to settle for a career at Walmart, as an example. But make no mistake - jobs like at Walmart are basically designed for the stay at home mom who has a few hours a day to spare or the student in highschool or university saving money for a car or for tuition or for the retired senior who wants something to do or a little extra income to supplement their retirement income. A job at Walmart, except in the management ranks, is not designed to be a career and should not be paid as if it was a career even if people find themselves in such jobs as a career from time to time.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I think you are missing the big picture. Wal-Mart itself is a big problem, but it's just one of the biggest examples of the same problem. The point is that they are obeying the law. Companies are free to set up shop in any country that will take them, it's just that there used to be incentives for keeping the work stateside (i.e. tariffs and protectionist treaties).

    The problem is market forces and how, in a lowly-regulated global system, these forces compel companies to move production to the cheapest parts of the world. That's nothing but a logical competitive reaction of the company to the laws of our country. Of course this is all at the same time encouraged by our reverence for unfettered capitalism and free trade. But when the same products are made by the same amount of people for less and less, and most of the new profit goes to 4 of the richest billionaires alive, while they encourage their customers to donate back some of the money they saved to their needy workers, isn't that perverse?

    You can't talk about bringing back industry at home until you resolve the laws and regulations that allow companies to move production overseas.

    And I get confused on the conservative position of how much personal responsibility poor people should have? It's their fault because they didn't get a higher degree and more training? I thought Rick Santorum said it was snobby to suggest that everyone should go to college. And what about our grandparents, wasn't working in a factory good enough for them? If their factory closed and a Wal-Mart opened next door, wouldn't that be the likely place for them to have to work to get by? And why should getting a college degree necessarily make you more competitive, there's more of us every year and not enough jobs to support the educated class.
    You're blaming the "market forces" on Wal-mart? You may as well blame God for your picnic getting rained on.

    The rest is just a bunch of "workers of the world unite" bullcrap.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not full of anybody saying the government needs to swoop in and force them to take action. My point is simply that if they want their employees to have a nice holiday, it is entirely within their power and means to do something. They could, for example, not be open on Thanksgiving Day, but that's not going to happen.
    It's not like moving from one thread to another changes who a person is. Same people hating on Walmart here are the same ones in the other Walmart and minimum wage threads.

    But for the record, do you support an increase in the minimum wage?
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No one is forced to go to Walmart.
    So if nobody goes to Wal-Mart, how many people lose their Jobs?

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post


    You REALLY want to pretend that small businesses hire the same number people that large retailers like WalMart do....thats...comical. You are either spouting rhetoric (lying) which is laughable or BELIEVE it...which is...sad...

    (most small businesses do not hire accountants...they contract with an accounting agency)
    So you ARE innumerate,then. You think 100 is greater than 7+12+5+22+16+4+11+19+5

    No wonder,too. Who needs to think when uncle Rush has already done it for you,eh?

    Intelligent people realize that as far as employment is concerned, there is an inverse relationship between efficiency and job creation. The more efficient a company is about doing something, the fewer jobs are necessary.That may be a no brainer to most ,but the notion obviously escapes you. Walmart is quite efficient because of its centralization and streamlining compared to a series of independents all doing the same thing and that is because of all the duplication of tasks involved in various people doing things separately. That isn't to say inefficiency is necessarily a good thing or walmart is bad, but it sure does destroy this silly notion of yours and the radio pundits that provide you your talking points that Walmart somehow creates more jobs. It doesn't. All it does is concentrate more under one employer.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post


    You REALLY want to pretend that small businesses hire the same number people that large retailers like WalMart do....thats...comical. You are either spouting rhetoric (lying) which is laughable or BELIEVE it...which is...sad...

    (most small businesses do not hire accountants...they contract with an accounting agency)
    So you ARE innumerate,then. You think 100 is greater than 7+12+5+22+16+4+11+19+5

    No wonder,too. Who needs to think when uncle Rush has already done it for you,eh?

    Intelligent people realize that as far as employment is concerned, there is an inverse relationship between efficiency and job creation. The more efficient a company is about doing something, the fewer jobs are necessary.That may be a no brainer to most ,but the notion obviously escapes you. Walmart is quite efficient because of its centralization and streamlining compared to a series of independents all doing the same thing and that is because of all the duplication of tasks involved in various people doing things separately. That isn't to say inefficiency is necessarily a good thing or walmart is bad, but it sure does destroy this silly notion of yours and the radio pundits that provide you your talking points that Walmart somehow creates more jobs. It doesn't. All it does is concentrate more under one employer.
    "you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

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    Where to start?
    I admire your passion and respect your point of view, but I also detect the brand of idealism that is unique to conservatism, which is that it is within anyone's power to better their position and that therefore people are responsible for themselves and not nearleach other. While I as well would prefer an economy based on high-skill, innovation, invention, and higher education for all, I also recognize that even doctors and scientists need store clerks and janitors in order to function. Where we disagree is that these latter positions should be stepping stones to the former in order to achieve a basic quality of life. There will never be enough room for everyone to have a highly valuable job, or even climb up to one within their lifetime, and I don't think people should essentially be second-class citizens for not doing so.
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