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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Lousy arguments? You mean like this fantasy of yours that a finite system somehow isn't?
    Wait...wait...you REALLY believe that local economies are 'finite' and that there is no room for competing businesses, growth, pursuit of revenue from beyond local borders, etc? You honest to God believe that every job at WalMart was stolen from some small business and that if those small businesses were in place they would employ numbers in kind? Management teams? Accounting teams? Shipping and receiving teams? Or that those small business would have the same draw and benefit to local economies?

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wait...wait...you REALLY believe that local economies are 'finite' and that there is no room for competing businesses, growth, pursuit of revenue from beyond local borders, etc? You honest to God believe that every job at WalMart was stolen from some small business and that if those small businesses were in place they would employ numbers in kind? Management teams? Accounting teams? Shipping and receiving teams? Or that those small business would have the same draw and benefit to local economies?
    Do you REALLY believe that small business does not offer all of those things?
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    I'm confused are some posters actually mad that Wal-Mart is starting a food donation for its needy employees last time I checked that was a good thing . Even if the motivation might not be so pure its still beneficial to both parties and is a good example of symbioses . Its a company not a charity its motivation is to get money not give it out since when you open a business that is the purpose to gain profit .
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    not sure why people are so bent out of shape over a charity drive....but it's pretty ****ty to be butthurt about it.
    Right! I work for a pretty good company that pays wells and every year we do a food drive and make thanksgiving baskets for other coworkers that may have had a tough year or just need some help. Not one coworker has ever made negative remarks or complained that we should all just get paid some more. They put their can of creamed corn in the box and moves along with their day.

    Also on Christmas we put a tree up and hang up children's gloves, hats, and scarves to distribute. How diabolical of the company to allow that, the big boss should just distribute money so the parents can buy want they want!
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Of course. All companies that pay low wage labor benefit from social safety nets. WalMart is as you say the largest so the biggest target/beneficiary.
    That's basically what it comes down to. Wal-mart is the best at what they do, and what they do is often hated by liberals. They supply low-wage, low-skill jobs to the masses. They do create a net increase in jobs, but often not as much as believed because mom-and-pop stores will often close down due to pricing that they cannot compete with.

    What I don't get is how people think that Wal-mart "owe" their people something. They provide a legal, mutually agreed upon wage for services rendered. Since when is that not enough?

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Of course. All companies that pay low wage labor benefit from social safety nets. WalMart is as you say the largest so the biggest target/beneficiary.
    Yep. Does that mean that SNAP, and various ther social spending, is really "corporate welfare"?
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Do you REALLY believe that small business does not offer all of those things?
    Yep. MOST small businesses dont do the kind of volume that requires a shipping department for example. They dont hire teams to come in and stock shelves. They may have AN accountant...certainly not TEAMS of accountants. They dont hire Human Resources PMs, etc. That is VERY correct...they DO NOT.

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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Is Walmart breaking the law?

    Does Walmart force people to work for them or shop in their stores?

    Do you give all your extra income to charity?
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    So, assuming you're correct, you have two people to blame:

    1. You can blame the full time employee settling for $25,000 in yearly income because they didn't complete their education or didn't take seriously their education and now they have no skills or skills that are unattractive and of low value to the people who hire.

    2. You can blame Obama and his administration for not developing/encouraging an economic environment where highly skilled and educated citizens can get and keep jobs that match those skills and that education.

    Again, you can't blame Walmart because they don't force people to work in their stores and they don't force people to shop there. In your view, Walmart is responsible for correcting the bad life choices of their employees and the bad economic policies of the government. They're not. Walmart has no trouble finding employees at the wages they pay. If you want them to pay more, it will require them having more competition for their employees - simple as that.
    I think you are missing the big picture. Wal-Mart itself is a big problem, but it's just one of the biggest examples of the same problem. The point is that they are obeying the law. Companies are free to set up shop in any country that will take them, it's just that there used to be incentives for keeping the work stateside (i.e. tariffs and protectionist treaties).

    The problem is market forces and how, in a lowly-regulated global system, these forces compel companies to move production to the cheapest parts of the world. That's nothing but a logical competitive reaction of the company to the laws of our country. Of course this is all at the same time encouraged by our reverence for unfettered capitalism and free trade. But when the same products are made by the same amount of people for less and less, and most of the new profit goes to 4 of the richest billionaires alive, while they encourage their customers to donate back some of the money they saved to their needy workers, isn't that perverse?

    You can't talk about bringing back industry at home until you resolve the laws and regulations that allow companies to move production overseas.

    And I get confused on the conservative position of how much personal responsibility poor people should have? It's their fault because they didn't get a higher degree and more training? I thought Rick Santorum said it was snobby to suggest that everyone should go to college. And what about our grandparents, wasn't working in a factory good enough for them? If their factory closed and a Wal-Mart opened next door, wouldn't that be the likely place for them to have to work to get by? And why should getting a college degree necessarily make you more competitive, there's more of us every year and not enough jobs to support the educated class.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yep. MOST small businesses dont do the kind of volume that requires a shipping department for example. They dont hire teams to come in and stock shelves. They may have AN accountant...certainly not TEAMS of accountants. They dont hire Human Resources PMs, etc. That is VERY correct...they DO NOT.
    Are you innumerate?

    One huge business hires a team of accountants. A series of small businesses each hires one, but more accountants are hired collectively. You aren't even talking about a zero sum gain when talking Walmart. Because of the centralization and efficiency, you are talking net loss in terms of jobs.
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    Re: Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Are you innumerate?

    One huge business hires a team of accountants. A series of small businesses each hires one, but more accountants are hired collectively. You aren't even talking about a zero sum gain when talking Walmart. Because of the centralization and efficiency, you are talking net loss in terms of jobs.


    You REALLY want to pretend that small businesses hire the same number people that large retailers like WalMart do....thats...comical. You are either spouting rhetoric (lying) which is laughable or BELIEVE it...which is...sad...

    (most small businesses do not hire accountants...they contract with an accounting agency)

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