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George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

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Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

According to the federal Centers for Disease Control, he's (white male youth )4 times more likely than his African- American classmate to be a regular cocaine user.

White Kids Are Much More Likely to Use and Sell Drugs, Yet Black Kids Are More Likely to Go to Prison

Seems to be quite a bit of information available to support this claim. In addition, and I'll provide sources if you would like, they are disproportionately arrested for it are more likely to be convicted and get harsher sentencing when they are.

The first article seems decent. The second article only considers cocaine, and that is not legit. If we used crack as the standard measurement, the article would reverse its claim. It's probably key, in the first study as well, that we consider drug type.
 
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Absolutely correct. :applaud

Do you not see a problem with using cocaine as the measuring stick, or are you ok with shoddy "science" when it says what you want?
 
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So much for your grasp of statistics.

:lamo

look at the rates.

blacks use illegal drugs at a rate of 10.7%
whites use illegal drugs at a rate of 9.1%



the US population is ~320 million. blacks make up ~13% and whites make up ~72%. there are, therefore, ~42 million blacks in the US and ~230 million whites. given the current rates, there are ~ 37 million blacks who do not use illegal drugs and ~209 million whites who do not use illegal drugs.

There are BY FAR many more whites who do not use illegal drugs than there are blacks
 
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then how is it that non-white people are the icon for drug use?

the point I was responding to.


While it's true certain drugs are associated with certain ethnicity (this goes with use and distribution), I'm not sure that those identities are universally "non-white". A perfect example of this would be meth, which is heavily associated with whites, both on the point of consumption and distribution
 
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Sorry - this is the first time you ask for proof of anything.
Actually it isn't, as I had asked previously.
It got mistakenly edited out in one of the many edits I make.
I guess you didn't see it before it was changed. :shrug:

And yet you have failed to provide proof this time. You know it has been asked for, you you fail to provide it. Figures.


Secondly; You clarified what you asked when you you said it was about the Police Department.
I asked a simple question. Do you think the same police department who defended him when he killed a black kid, won't defend him now that he has threatened a white woman?

The way you are now trying to portray your question, (obviously because you are angry for being called on its inflammatory wording), Is absolutely absurd.
Under your portrayal now, the police also have defended him when they had him safely behind bars. Making your question ridiculous.

But of course that isn't what you originally meant, even though you are now trying to deflect by indicating it was.
Truly sad.



They both kept him from harm and they supported his statements.
No they did not.
The Department in the course of performing it's duties or even the individual Officers doing theirs, had nothing to do with supporting him.
They doing their jobs is not support of him.
You are being ridiculously absurd.

And apparently it is because you are angry because he was acquitted.


I'm sorry this makes you angry but you should really learn to relax and not support violent people like Zimmerman so much.
The only one here angry, is you. The very question you made is one of anger.


It makes you look like a hypocrite when you're then attacking police for shooting a kid they thought was a threat (because he actually held a toy gun made to look real)
How absurd.
Going with the evidence does not make on a hypocrite. But it does say volumes of your actual connection to reality.
You really try to come back before speaking anymore.
 
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the point I was responding to.


While it's true certain drugs are associated with certain ethnicity (this goes with use and distribution), I'm not sure that those identities are universally "non-white". A perfect example of this would be meth, which is heavily associated with whites, both on the point of consumption and distribution

With all due respect brother, the racism of the so-called war on drugs is glaringly obvious .. but this speaks of a deeper point. It speaks to the insurmountable chasm between African-Americans and the right.

The meme is that blacks vote for democrats because we are programmed to .. but why would we want to vote for/politically associate with those who can't even see the racism in the war on drugs?

I'm not a democrat, but I understand why many believe there is only one choice to make.
 
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With all due respect brother, the racism of the so-called war on drugs is glaringly obvious .. but this speaks of a deeper point. It speaks to the insurmountable chasm between African-Americans and the right.

The meme is that blacks vote for democrats because we are programmed to .. but why would we want to vote for/politically associate with those who can't even see the racism in the war on drugs?

I'm not a democrat, but I understand why many believe there is only one choice to make.

why would you want to vote for those who has it in their best interest to keep you poor and downtrodden, just so they can make false promises of wanting to help you?
 
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With all due respect brother, the racism of the so-called war on drugs is glaringly obvious

I think there are certainly elements of racism involved, if on no other level than "legacy" aspects of past systemic policies like current poverty rates, but I often fnd that the general issue is often claimed to be overly dependent, when we look at alternative explanations. Not sure how that addresses your previous claim, though and the fact it was obviously based on a faulty assumption

but this speaks of a deeper point. It speaks to the insurmountable chasm between African-Americans and the right.

While the right certainly has a denial aspect to it when we consider all things african american, the left often assumes all imbalances can be explained away by current appeals to systemic racism. Which I find just as silly, especially when this is based on a glaring lack of actual supporting data or unwillingness to look at alternative hypothesis.

basically, both sides completely oversimplify the issue

The meme is that blacks vote for democrats because we are programmed to .. but why would we want to vote for/politically associate with those who can't even see the racism in the war on drugs?

I'm not sure just repeating your earlier assertion, without any attempt to establish it as a fact, adds much value here


I'm not a democrat, but I understand why many believe there is only one choice to make.

Really has nothing to do with what we are discussing
 
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The first article seems decent. The second article only considers cocaine, and that is not legit. If we used crack as the standard measurement, the article would reverse its claim. It's probably key, in the first study as well, that we consider drug type.

I can understand that point. Can you tell me why, in your opinion, it would be key to consider drug type?
 
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why would you want to vote for those who has it in their best interest to keep you poor and downtrodden, just so they can make false promises of wanting to help you?

Talk about being lead! That's nothing more than a Con pundit line that you have bought hook line and sinker.
 
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While the right certainly has a denial aspect to it when we consider all things african american, the left often assumes all imbalances can be explained away by current appeals to systemic racism.

This is the sort of denialist nonsense we often see from the right.

On the left, many problems experienced by blacks are widely recognized as being caused by poverty. While racism is often cited as a cause of poverty, it is rarely cited as the sole cause of poverty as the existence of white poor people clearly demonstrates that racism is not the only cause
 
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I can understand that point. Can you tell me why, in your opinion, it would be key to consider drug type?

Cocaine is generally more used by wealthy people and blacks are disproportionately represented therein. Using cocaine as the bench mark necessarily moves the study away from lower income households and, thus, away from the black population. Do the same study with crack and the results would be inverse.
 
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Talk about being lead! That's nothing more than a Con pundit line that you have bought hook line and sinker.

oh please, the democrats have claimed to be the "champions" of the poor and minorities for 50 years. after all that time and promises, the poor and minorities are little better off than they were in the 70s.
 
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oh please, the democrats have claimed to be the "champions" of the poor and minorities for 50 years. after all that time and promises, the poor and minorities are little better off than they were in the 70s.

Didn't you hear? You end poverty by making people comfortable with poverty.
 
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Cocaine is generally more used by wealthy people and blacks are disproportionately represented therein. Using cocaine as the bench mark necessarily moves the study away from lower income households and, thus, away from the black population. Do the same study with crack and the results would be inverse.

But the intent of the study if not to determine if the use of any particular drug is more common among blacks or whites. The intent of the study is to determine if "drug use" is more prevalent with one group more then another.


Either way, from the article:

The study, which was published Monday in the Archives of General Psychiatry, controlled for variables like socioeconomic status because rates of severe drug problems tend to be greater amongst the poor

Read more: Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com
 
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oh please, the democrats have claimed to be the "champions" of the poor and minorities for 50 years. after all that time and promises, the poor and minorities are little better off than they were in the 70s.

And if that is accurate you think that the only contributing factor is the social programs instituted to help them overcome racist obstacles? Wouldn't that be swell. If the world were actually so simple that we could trace all of our troubles back to just ONE cause. Welcome to Mayberry.
 
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But the intent of the study if not to determine if the use of any particular drug is more common among blacks or whites. The intent of the study is to determine if "drug use" is more prevalent with one group more then another.


Either way, from the article:

The study, which was published Monday in the Archives of General Psychiatry, controlled for variables like socioeconomic status because rates of severe drug problems tend to be greater amongst the poor

Read more: Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

check the actual statistics, instead of some OP/ED piece:

As the following chart shows, marijuana usage rates are roughly equal for blacks and whites:

Of the major racial/ethnic groups, the rate of drug use is highest among the American Indian/Native American population (10.6%) and those reporting mixed race (11.2%), followed by African Americans (7.7%), Hispanics (6.8%), whites (6.6%). The lowest rates are found among the Asian population. (3.2%).

In 2011, among persons aged 12 or older, the rate of current illicit drug use was lowest among Asians (3.8 percent) (Figure 2.11). The rates were 8.4 percent among Hispanics, 8.7 percent among whites, 10.0 percent among blacks, 11.0 percent among Native Hawaiians or Other Pacific Islanders, 13.4 percent among American Indians or Alaska Natives, and 13.5 percent among persons of two or more races.

In 2010, among persons aged 12 or older, the rate of current illicit drug use among Asians was similar to that among Native Hawaiians or Other Pacific Islanders (3.5 and 5.4 percent, respectively), but the rate among Asians was lower than among other racial/ethnic groups (Figure 2.10). The rate among persons of two or more races was similar to that among American Indians or Alaska Natives and among blacks (12.5, 12.1, and 10.7 percent, respectively). The rate was 8.1 percent among Hispanics and 9.1 percent among whites.

actual statistics from sources such as the CDC and the National Survey on Drug Use and Health clearly show that whites are no more likely to abuse drugs than blacks.

Don't know about you, but I'd trust the CDC, the Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality (CBHSQ), Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), and RTI International over the Huffington Post and Time.com any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
 
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And if that is accurate you think that the only contributing factor is the social programs instituted to help them overcome racist obstacles? Wouldn't that be swell. If the world were actually so simple that we could trace all of our troubles back to just ONE cause. Welcome to Mayberry.

strawman much? I never said or implied any such thing.
 
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Actually it isn't, as I had asked previously.
It got mistakenly edited out in one of the many edits I make.

I guess you didn't see it before it was changed. :shrug:

So then yes, it is the first you ask for it. You editing it out and me not seeing it makes that post the first time I saw you asking for evidence. :shrug:

And yet you have failed to provide proof this time. You know it has been asked for, you you fail to provide it. Figures.

I did. I posted the definition of "defense" what the police did most certainly qualifies as that. :shrug:

Secondly; You clarified what you asked when you you said it was about the Police Department.

The way you are now trying to portray your question, (obviously because you are angry for being called on its inflammatory wording), Is absolutely absurd.
Under your portrayal now, the police also have defended him when they had him safely behind bars. Making your question ridiculous.

You really should learn to relax and not become so inflamed by questions that cause anger. If the question makes you angry and your opinion is that it is inflammatory you should take some time off the computer.

But of course that isn't what you originally meant, even though you are now trying to deflect by indicating it was.
Truly sad.

You must have a magic ball of some sort.

No they did not.
The Department in the course of performing it's duties or even the individual Officers doing theirs, had nothing to do with supporting him.
They doing their jobs is not support of him.
You are being ridiculously absurd.

No need to ad hom simply because you are inflamed and don't like a question. Your opinion is well received, but under the definitions of "defend", the police certainly defended George Zimmerman's account. The definitions for it haven't changed.

And apparently it is because you are angry because he was acquitted.

Oh, not at all. I'm perfectly calm sipping on some green tea.

The only one here angry, is you. The very question you made is one of anger.

How absurd.
Going with the evidence does not make on a hypocrite. But it does say volumes of your actual connection to reality.
You really try to come back before speaking anymore.

Your argument boils down to you not liking the definition of defend, you finding things absurd, and you being inflamed. Your emotional response is acknowledged but it's not based on any fact. Facts are that George Zimmerman was defended by the police both physically and then again they supported his side of the story. If you don't like those facts, you're more than welcome to petition Merriam-Webster and change the definition of defend. I'm also sorry if my questions arise anger in you. However, you must realize that my question remains:

Will the police who defended George Zimmerman when he killed a black teenager, defend him now that he has threatened a white woman?

I await the answer. :)
 
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So then yes, it is the first you ask for it.
As it had been posted. You are wrong.



I did. I posted the definition of "defense" what the police did most certainly qualifies as that. :shrug:

You really should learn to relax and not become so inflamed by questions that cause anger. If the question makes you angry and your opinion is that it is inflammatory you should take some time off the computer.

You must have a magic ball of some sort.



No need to ad hom simply because you are inflamed and don't like a question. Your opinion is well granted, but under the definitions of "defend", the police certainly defended George Zimmerman's account.

Oh, not at all. I'm perfectly calm sipping on some green tea.

Your argument boils down to you not liking the definition of defend, you finding things absurd, and you being inflamed. Your emotional response is granted, but it's not based on any fact. Facts are that George Zimmerman was defended by the police both physically then they supported his side of the story. If you don't like those facts, you're more than welcome to petition Merriam-Webster and change the definition of defend.
Still being absurd huh?
Figures.
The only anger being shown is by you and your false claim that the Department defended him, when it is clear they did not.
 
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As it had been posted. You are wrong.



Still being absurd huh?
Figures.
The only anger being shown is by you and your false claim that the Department defended him, when it is clear they did not.

they defended him in exactly the same manner in which the Pheonix PD defended Cordell Jude, not at all........
 
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As it had been posted. You are wrong.

Still being absurd huh?
Figures.
The only anger being shown is by you and your false claim that the Department defended him, when it is clear they did not.

Your opinion is nice, but it's not a fact. The fact is that they did, as I have shown. :)
 
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Your opinion is nice, but it's not a fact. The fact is that they did, as I have shown. :)

Stop telling untruths. You have shown no such thing, as I already pointed out.
 
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Stop telling untruths. You have shown no such thing, as I already pointed out.

Your opinion about the facts doesn't change the facts. May I suggest you write a letter to whatever body regulates the English language and ask them to change the definition of "defend" to whatever Excon thinks it means?
 
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Your opinion about the facts doesn't change the facts. May I suggest you write a letter to whatever body regulates the English language and ask them to change the definition of "defend" to whatever Excon thinks it means?
Still trying to push the story that you are right huh?
Too bad you weren't.
You will get over it eventually.
 
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