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George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

Using your first, teeth, or nails in self defense isn't illegal either. The difference is ths law in Florida recognizes a distinction between getting kicked around and feeling your life is in danger. So according to the law and Zs defense, he had a right to kill because he feared for his life. The question of if his life was in actual danger, mattered little. He thought his life was in danger, and apparently, that is enough.




OscarB63 said:
following someone is not a crime....... attacking someone for following you is.
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Cardinal said:
I can safely say that no one has ever had to begin a sentence with "Every time he is arrested..." when talking about me.
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lol, do you ever have an actual point to what you write, or is it always mindlessly dull, partisan piddle? Case in point: does it turn into a giant media circus every time the man is arrested or not? Is that something a normal person needs to deal with when being arrested? Is that something a person would want to deal with?

If the answer is "yes, no, no" then there might be a reasonable basis for why the guy doesn't like dealing with the police. That isn't a defense of anything he has done, that merely pointing out no reasonable person would want to deal with national headlined everytime they interact (not even arrested) with law enforcement.
 
Lutherf said:
So this just came out -


George Zimmerman girlfriend: I did not set him up - Orlando Sentinel

She'll wait to talk until she gets a paid national interview. Charming.
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Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but the following makes it sound like Zim might be guilty of a sex crime (maybe depending on the age of Schieb's daughter)
Mason said Scheibe’s daughter received a text message from George Zimmerman. Mason said that message was a still image from an intimate home video of Scheibe and Zimmerman."

WKMG updated the story at 5 p.m. Wednesday with the headline "Intimate Details."

Scheibe told WKMG that her relationship with Zimmerman was "so intimate ... that they took intimate videos of themselves," Sandoval said. When the relationship cooled, Scheiber said Zimmerman took an image from a video "and texted it to her young daughter," Sandoval reported.
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This is the problem which I think will end up hurting our gun freedoms more than any gun hater ever could. It should have some language about a reasonable person being in fear of their life. As far as I can tell, Florida laws does not care about reason.
SheWolf said:
Using your first, teeth, or nails in self defense isn't illegal either. The difference is ths law in Florida recognizes a distinction between getting kicked around and feeling your life is in danger. So according to the law and Zs defense, he had a right to kill because he feared for his life. The question of if his life was in actual danger, mattered little. He thought his life was in danger, and apparently, that is enough.
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I think Zimmerman would have pulled the gun if Trayvon backed off in that case. And if Trayvon ran again, Zimmerman would have believed even more that Trayvon was a felon. that's why he should have stayed in the car, or at least been more careful of making assumptions and faulty conclusions.



OscarB63 said:
I agree up to a point. If zimmerman threw the first punch, then Martin had the right to punch him, but once Zimmerman was flat out on the ground, that should have been the end of it, unless Zimmerman got back up. IMHO, Martin crossed the line when he got on top of Zimmerman and continued to pound away on a virtually helpless person. At that point, Zimmerman had every right to fear that Martin would not stop beating him until he was dead or unconscious.
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SheWolf said:
I think you're the one being unreasonable to accuse him of hating white people..
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he's the one that brought race into this discussion and in a clearly negative manner. So I am lost on how anyone is being unreasonable here. Would you feel the same if I accused him of simply supporting Martin because he was black? of course not, you would be howling about it
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
lol, do you ever have an actual point to what you write, or is it always mindlessly dull, partisan piddle? Case in point: does it turn into a giant media circus every time the man is arrested or not? Is that something a normal person needs to deal with when being arrested? Is that something a person would want to deal with?

If the answer is "yes, no, no" then there might be a reasonable basis for why the guy doesn't like dealing with the police. That isn't a defense of anything he has done, that merely pointing out no reasonable person would want to deal with national headlined everytime they interact (not even arrested) with law enforcement.
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Well, I don't think it should have been a story to begin with, but it is, sadly, and unfortunately as is so often the case in media circuses people choose sides in ways they never would have otherwise. Reason being the story latched on to one of our many fabulous hot button issues that turn people's brains off and the volume of their shouting to 11. Had this not been hijacked into the gun rights debate Zimmerman would just be just like every other low life thug out there.

Anyway, if he gets out of jail (he might actually be out of jail, already, I'm not keeping up with the story), he'll go right the hell back, because low lifes will be low lifes.
 
sangha said:
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but the following makes it sound like Zim might be guilty of a sex crime (maybe depending on the age of Schieb's daughter)
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The woman is telling a story. That is how it is meant to sound.
 
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Cardinal said:
he'll go right the hell back, because low lifes will be low lifes.
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Your low life accusation is not supportable.
Nor is acting in self defense as he did being a low life.
 
SheWolf said:
I think you're the one being unreasonable to accuse him of hating white people.. This forum is here to discuss issues, and you're coming off like you're offended by his opinion because you assume he is black. Instead of getting offended, try talking it out.
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I will let his comment stand on its own merits.

BlackAsCoal said:
I'm betting that just about everybody on this board .. which I'm new to .. who supports George Zimmerman and stand your ground laws, are republican/teabagger/conservative/right winger/just hates black people. Most all fall somewhere in that mix.

I have no illusion that I possess the power to change anyone's mind about anything .. thus, how you interpret stand your ground is purely up to you .. interpret them anyway you choose. But for me, they represent an evil reminiscent of America's ****-stained racist past. I equate the murder of Trayvon Martin to that of Emmitt Till .. reinforced the further murder of an innocent woman stranded by car problems.

As with most laws, it's less about the law itself, than it is about the application of the law.

Nail in coffin forever.
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Cardinal said:
Well, I don't think it should have been a story to begin with, but it is, sadly, and unfortunately as is so often the case in media circuses people choose sides in ways they never would have otherwise.
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Which has absolutely nothing to do with the points we are discussing: Which is "why would someone like Zimmerman be weary in his interactions with the police". When I offered an explanation for this, you replied with some moronic argument that totally ignored the issue at hand, just like you did above.

Reason being the story latched on to one of our many fabulous hot button issues that turn people's brains off and the volume of their shouting to 11. Had this not been hijacked into the gun rights debate Zimmerman would just be just like every other low life thug out there.
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1)So the issue turned into a media fire storm solely over gun rights? Lol, you are too much.

2) how does this address anything I wrote above?

Anyway, if he gets out of jail (he might actually be out of jail, already, I'm not keeping up with the story), he'll go right the hell back, because low lifes will be low lifes.
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Lol, where have I defended the man's character? I have been pretty clear on the point that I think he's a complete dumb-ass. But that changes nothing about how every time he interacts with the police a GIANT **** STORM ENSUES, and that it's something anyone would not want to deal with.

Can you actually respond to what people write, or is everything pre-filtered into this mindless partisan non-sense
 
sangha said:
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but the following makes it sound like Zim might be guilty of a sex crime (maybe depending on the age of Schieb's daughter)
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Well it would be interesting to see how that pans out since in the Trayvon Martin trial the judge refused to allow text messages and such as evidence since [as she decided] it was impossible to prove that Trayvon was the one who sent those texts from his password locked app on his password locked phone. Sometimes "precedence" can lead to strange ironies.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the points we are discussing: Which is "why would someone like Zimmerman be weary in his interactions with the police". When I offered an explanation for this, you replied with some moronic argument that totally ignored the issue at hand, just like you did above.



1)So the issue turned into a media fire storm solely over gun rights? Lol, you are too much.

2) how does this address anything I wrote above?



Lol, where have I defended the man's character? I have been pretty clear on the point that I think he's a complete dumb-ass. But that changes nothing about how every time he interacts with the police a GIANT **** STORM ENSUES, and that it's something anyone would not want to deal with.

Can you actually respond to what people write, or is everything pre-filtered into this mindless partisan non-sense
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Your partisanship radar needs to be recalibrated. It seems to be all you see.
 
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Excon said:
Your low life accusation is not supportable.
Nor is acting in self defense as he did being a low life.
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Before the end of 2014 he's going right back to jail. Would you like to make a friendly wager?
 
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Cardinal said:
Your partisan radar needs to be recalibrated. It seems to be all you see.
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or you're just highly partisan
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
he's the one that brought race into this discussion and in a clearly negative manner. So I am lost on how anyone is being unreasonable here. Would you feel the same if I accused him of simply supporting Martin because he was black? of course not, you would be howling about it
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Its seems we don't have the same luxuries as minorities and radicalized left-wingers do.

Apparently they don't hold themselves up to standard they hold us too. ;)
 
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Cardinal said:
Before the end of 2014 he's going right back to jail.
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:doh
To have his tracking anklet removed.
 
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Hatuey said:
Ah, so what you're saying is that the police who defended him when he killed a black kid, won't defend him now that he's threatened a white woman? You're right. It is different now.
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Not at all. And that is pretty inflammatory to pit the two situations using race, and gender, but you know that...No, this situation is different because the Martin case is over, and Z was acquitted, so it isn't relevant here. But what is, is that Z seems to either show a pattern with women, and with arrogant skirting of the law as it comes to intimidation. In this case he may be exhibiting a pattern of mental illness...I don't know, but I do know he should no longer own guns.
 
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j-mac said:
Not at all. And that is pretty inflammatory
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You and Excon keep using that word as if it means anything other than you being mad because it was said. I asked a simple question. Do you think the same police department who defended him when he killed a black kid, won't defend him now that he has threatened a white woman? If the answer is "yes", then you have every right to be inflamed.

PS: Shame his pattern wasn't obvious when he threatened his lying wife, her father, resisted officers, was given a restraining order against a fiancée, etc. But yes, we know, his "pattern" only emerges now to you and TM's case had nothing to do with him and his long and detailed history of violence.
 
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Excon said:
:doh
To have his tracking anklet removed.
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Don't be coy, you know what I mean. Do you want to bet that between now and the end of 2014 he will be arrested again? Friendly wager, no biggie. Say, $10 donation to DP?
 
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Cardinal said:
Don't be coy, you know what I mean. Do you want to bet that between now and the end of 2014 he will be arrested again? Friendly wager, no biggie. Say, $10 donation to DP?
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:doh
Now you are changing the goal posts.
First it was "going right back to jail", now it is rearrested.
Sorry, I am not going to wager with someone who can't get it, or keep it straight.
 
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Hatuey said:
You and Excon keep using that word as if it means anything other than you being mad because it was said. I asked a simple question. Do you think the same police department who defended him when he killed a black kid, won't defend him now that he has threatened a white woman?
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And your words were inflammatory. But you know that.

Why are you spewing falsities?
The Police department did not defend him. They did there job.

Hatuey said:
Shame his pattern wasn't obvious when he threatened his lying wife, her father, resisted officers, was given a restraining order against a fiancée, etc. But yes, we know, his "pattern" only emerges now to you and TM's case had nothing to do with him and his long and detailed history of violence.
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Allegations do not a pattern make.
 
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Hatuey said:
You and Excon keep using that word as if it means anything other than you being mad because it was said. I asked a simple question. Do you think the same police department who defended him when he killed a black kid, won't defend him now that he has threatened a white woman? If the answer is "yes", then you have every right to be inflamed.

PS: Shame his pattern wasn't obvious when he threatened his lying wife, her father, resisted officers, was given a restraining order against a fiancée, etc. But yes, we know, his "pattern" only emerges now to you and TM's case had nothing to do with him and his long and detailed history of violence.
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I never heard of a black or white person. All humans are brown. Why can't people accept that fact?
 
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