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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

    According to the federal Centers for Disease Control, he's (white male youth )4 times more likely than his African- American classmate to be a regular cocaine user.

    White Kids Are Much More Likely to Use and Sell Drugs, Yet Black Kids Are More Likely to Go to Prison

    Seems to be quite a bit of information available to support this claim. In addition, and I'll provide sources if you would like, they are disproportionately arrested for it are more likely to be convicted and get harsher sentencing when they are.
    The first article seems decent. The second article only considers cocaine, and that is not legit. If we used crack as the standard measurement, the article would reverse its claim. It's probably key, in the first study as well, that we consider drug type.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    Absolutely correct.
    Do you not see a problem with using cocaine as the measuring stick, or are you ok with shoddy "science" when it says what you want?

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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    So much for your grasp of statistics.


    look at the rates.

    blacks use illegal drugs at a rate of 10.7%
    whites use illegal drugs at a rate of 9.1%



    the US population is ~320 million. blacks make up ~13% and whites make up ~72%. there are, therefore, ~42 million blacks in the US and ~230 million whites. given the current rates, there are ~ 37 million blacks who do not use illegal drugs and ~209 million whites who do not use illegal drugs.

    There are BY FAR many more whites who do not use illegal drugs than there are blacks
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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    then how is it that non-white people are the icon for drug use?
    the point I was responding to.


    While it's true certain drugs are associated with certain ethnicity (this goes with use and distribution), I'm not sure that those identities are universally "non-white". A perfect example of this would be meth, which is heavily associated with whites, both on the point of consumption and distribution

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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sorry - this is the first time you ask for proof of anything.
    Actually it isn't, as I had asked previously.
    It got mistakenly edited out in one of the many edits I make.
    I guess you didn't see it before it was changed.

    And yet you have failed to provide proof this time. You know it has been asked for, you you fail to provide it. Figures.


    Secondly; You clarified what you asked when you you said it was about the Police Department.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I asked a simple question. Do you think the same police department who defended him when he killed a black kid, won't defend him now that he has threatened a white woman?

    The way you are now trying to portray your question, (obviously because you are angry for being called on its inflammatory wording), Is absolutely absurd.
    Under your portrayal now, the police also have defended him when they had him safely behind bars. Making your question ridiculous.

    But of course that isn't what you originally meant, even though you are now trying to deflect by indicating it was.
    Truly sad.



    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    They both kept him from harm and they supported his statements.
    No they did not.
    The Department in the course of performing it's duties or even the individual Officers doing theirs, had nothing to do with supporting him.
    They doing their jobs is not support of him.
    You are being ridiculously absurd.

    And apparently it is because you are angry because he was acquitted.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm sorry this makes you angry but you should really learn to relax and not support violent people like Zimmerman so much.
    The only one here angry, is you. The very question you made is one of anger.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It makes you look like a hypocrite when you're then attacking police for shooting a kid they thought was a threat (because he actually held a toy gun made to look real)
    How absurd.
    Going with the evidence does not make on a hypocrite. But it does say volumes of your actual connection to reality.
    You really try to come back before speaking anymore.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    the point I was responding to.


    While it's true certain drugs are associated with certain ethnicity (this goes with use and distribution), I'm not sure that those identities are universally "non-white". A perfect example of this would be meth, which is heavily associated with whites, both on the point of consumption and distribution
    With all due respect brother, the racism of the so-called war on drugs is glaringly obvious .. but this speaks of a deeper point. It speaks to the insurmountable chasm between African-Americans and the right.

    The meme is that blacks vote for democrats because we are programmed to .. but why would we want to vote for/politically associate with those who can't even see the racism in the war on drugs?

    I'm not a democrat, but I understand why many believe there is only one choice to make.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    With all due respect brother, the racism of the so-called war on drugs is glaringly obvious .. but this speaks of a deeper point. It speaks to the insurmountable chasm between African-Americans and the right.

    The meme is that blacks vote for democrats because we are programmed to .. but why would we want to vote for/politically associate with those who can't even see the racism in the war on drugs?

    I'm not a democrat, but I understand why many believe there is only one choice to make.
    why would you want to vote for those who has it in their best interest to keep you poor and downtrodden, just so they can make false promises of wanting to help you?
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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    With all due respect brother, the racism of the so-called war on drugs is glaringly obvious
    I think there are certainly elements of racism involved, if on no other level than "legacy" aspects of past systemic policies like current poverty rates, but I often fnd that the general issue is often claimed to be overly dependent, when we look at alternative explanations. Not sure how that addresses your previous claim, though and the fact it was obviously based on a faulty assumption

    but this speaks of a deeper point. It speaks to the insurmountable chasm between African-Americans and the right.
    While the right certainly has a denial aspect to it when we consider all things african american, the left often assumes all imbalances can be explained away by current appeals to systemic racism. Which I find just as silly, especially when this is based on a glaring lack of actual supporting data or unwillingness to look at alternative hypothesis.

    basically, both sides completely oversimplify the issue

    The meme is that blacks vote for democrats because we are programmed to .. but why would we want to vote for/politically associate with those who can't even see the racism in the war on drugs?
    I'm not sure just repeating your earlier assertion, without any attempt to establish it as a fact, adds much value here


    I'm not a democrat, but I understand why many believe there is only one choice to make.
    Really has nothing to do with what we are discussing

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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The first article seems decent. The second article only considers cocaine, and that is not legit. If we used crack as the standard measurement, the article would reverse its claim. It's probably key, in the first study as well, that we consider drug type.
    I can understand that point. Can you tell me why, in your opinion, it would be key to consider drug type?
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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    why would you want to vote for those who has it in their best interest to keep you poor and downtrodden, just so they can make false promises of wanting to help you?
    Talk about being lead! That's nothing more than a Con pundit line that you have bought hook line and sinker.
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