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    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Irrelevant. Under Florida law Martin had no requirement to retreat.
    I assume you are quoting this to sound cool? The point is to demonstrate...not that Trayvon could have retreated. The point is to demonstrate that Trayvon RETURNED to confront Zimmerman. Under state of Florida law Trayvon would not have been able to claim "self defense" or "stand your ground" because he LEFT the situation, and them he returned to the situation as an aggressor. A similar case is going on in Jacksonville right now...over a woman leaving the scene of a dispute and returning to fire a warning shot. She will be convicted.


    Martin attempted to evade twice, walking away from the clubhouse and then running away from the vehicle and in both cases Zimmerman pursued.
    And YET if his purpose was to get away...why would he turn around within 100 yards of his home? Are you just going to gloss over the part of the trial that showed that Trayvon was attempting to confront Zimmerman as well? Or does that not fit the narrative of evil white man killing young black boy?



    There is no evidence of that except Zimmerman's say so.
    You didn't watch the trial? There was evidence to back that claim up. Ok top of that. Let's discuss the more disturbing fact.

    You are claiming his testimony is the only one. So what is your reason for denying him testimony. Furthermore...you want him convicted of manslaughter based on WHO ELSE's testimony? On what grounds? What evidence? Or is this more of the "public opinion" court?




    There is no evidence of that except Zimmerman's say so.
    Why are we rejecting his testimony? On what grounds?

    Again, where is the independent source for any of that prior to "John" looking out the back? There is none, that is all based on Zimmerman's story.

    Zimmerman story (read his statement and watch the interrogation video's again) was that he went behind the darkened house to find a street sign - well there are no street signs behind houses. There were not any street signs on the other side of the pass through either. The only street signs were to that (a) west, and (b) south of where Zimmerman exited his truck. He traveled east. Oh wait, house number that was it, he was looking for a house number. Sorry no house numbers behind houses either, as a matter of fact he walked by the front of houses with house numbers posted to proceed to the rear.
    A story told over a length of time is subject to change. BUT it really doesn't matter does it? Who had left the scene and returned? It wasn't Zimmerman. I won't argue that what he did was incredibly stupid. That doesn't make him a murderer. That doesn't make him a criminal. It just makes him stupid.



    Don't get me wrong, the jury made the correct call. The prosecution over charged the event (Murder 2 over Manslaughter) and presented a very, VERY weak case in court. Not finding Zimmerman guilty was the correct verdict. However, just because someone believes it was the correct verdict does not mean that they have to believe Zimmerman's story(ies). An individual shown to be willing to lie to the court.
    Seriously. Make a case for manslaughter. Do it. Please. And what lies are we discussing? Because lying in court is perjury and I don't recall any conviction on that either?
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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    And the revelance is what? Martin had no requirement either morally or under Florida law to retreat and in fact had already done so twice (one walking away from the clubhouse area when Z following in his truck and the second time fleeing on foot and Zimmerman exited the vehicle to follow on foot.)>
    The issue is not about "duty to retreat." The issue is that Trayvon could not claim self defense. He showed intent by retuning to the scene. He had the opportunity to leave...and turned around instead. This would not have allowed him to claim self defense...under current Florida law. His "claim" to self defense would have to prove that he was not the aggressor.

    That is NOT what any of the evidence suggests. It suggests...primarily based on the cell phone data...that he decided to return to confront Zimmerman....an act of aggression as he had already removed himself from the situation.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Goddamnit not this again. Can we reactivate the Zimmerman subforum so I don't have to deal with this same crap again?
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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    The issue is not about "duty to retreat." The issue is that Trayvon could not claim self defense.
    LOL Wut!

    Trayvon was dead. That's why he couldn't claim self-defense

    Besides he wasn't on trial
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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    ugh, he was dragged through the national media and turned into public enemy number one ...
    And the police stood by his story. - to claim they wouldn't know - after HE called them is absurd. Regardless, it doesn't answer why he should be paranoid of interactions with the police. They stood by his account of the events and made every effort to show how a man with an obvious pattern of violence and paranoia didn't start a violent altercation with a teenager who's worst mistake was smoking weed and getting into fights at school like every other teenager his age.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I assume you are quoting this to sound cool? The point is to demonstrate...not that Trayvon could have retreated. The point is to demonstrate that Trayvon RETURNED to confront Zimmerman. Under state of Florida law Trayvon would not have been able to claim "self defense" or "stand your ground" because he LEFT the situation, and them he returned to the situation as an aggressor.

    I'm sorry, been following this case closely since the beginning.

    You seem to state as fact that after Martin departed Twin Trees Lane and proceeded behind the house to leave the area of Zimmerman's truck, that he "LEFT" (emphasis yours) that area and then "RETURNED" (emphasis yours).

    Please provide the independent evidence (mean not based on the story told by the survivor) that would be the basis of such a claim. Is there video? Is there a witness that watched Martin arrive in the area, then depart and return?

    If their is such a witness, then why did they not testify about who started the fight? My understanding that the first witness that witnessed (not counting the young kid that ran off after his dog) was "John" and when he looked/came out of his house the fight was already in progress.

    So please share this evidence.


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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    So what you are saying is that you don't get it?
    They were, and are, two different things.
    Your distinction base on race is absolutely absurd and inflammatory.
    Feign all the outrage you want "Excon" .
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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    You didn't watch the trial? There was evidence to back that claim up. Ok top of that. Let's discuss the more disturbing fact.
    I watched every minute of the trial. There was no indendent evidence presented that showed who started the fight, the defense made a lot of supposition based on the fact that Z had some injuries, but those are not evidence of who started the fight - only that Z was losing.

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    You are claiming his testimony is the only one. So what is your reason for denying him testimony.
    You didn't watch the trial? Zimmerman didn't testify. The last thing O'Mara wanted was Zimmerman on the stand. His police interviews were entered into the record, but he didn't testify.


    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Furthermore...you want him convicted of manslaughter based on WHO ELSE's testimony?
    Who said I wanted him convicted of Manslaughter? What I said was Manslaughter or Negligent Homicide would have been more appropriate charges over Murder 2.

    The difference between Murder 2 and Manslaughter (or Negligent Homicide) is Murder 2 required the prosecution to prove a "depraved mind" and "disregard for human life" while Manslaughter (or Negligent Homicide) are based on actions that show responsibility for action(s) leading to the death of another.

    Even the police initial requested Manslaughter charges prior to all the politicians got involved. First the local DA turned it down, then the Special Prosecutor overruled that and upped the charges to Murder 2. A bad move on her part.

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    On what grounds?
    The Zimmerman's reckless actions (as viewed by a reasonable person) were responsible for chain of events that night.


    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    What evidence?
    Zimmerman's own description of events during the non-emergency call, video police interrogations, and video reenactment.


    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Or is this more of the "public opinion" court?
    Nope, I give a rats ass about "public opinion".



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And the police stood by his story. - to claim they wouldn't know - after HE called them is absurd. Regardless, it doesn't answer why he should be paranoid of interactions with the police.
    because every time he is arrested it turns into a giant media circus, that has resulted in everything from death threats to being vilified by the potus. Seems like such would create a bit of stress in one's llife ...


    They stood by his account of the events and made every effort to show how a man with an obvious pattern of violence and paranoia didn't start a violent altercation with a teenager who's worst mistake was smoking weed and getting into fights at school like every other teenager his age.
    If you have some real issue with the court proceeding then address them

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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    because every time he is arrested it turns into a giant media circus, that has resulted in everything from death threats to being vilified by the potus. Seems like such would create a bit of stress in one's llife ...
    Wait... you mean a guy who got off on killing a black kid - and was paraded by conservatives as Joe Citizen, protecting his neighborhood... wouldn't draw attention to himself every time he puts his violent behavior on display? Yes. We know. It's the police's fault, it's the media's fault. It's never George Zimmerman's fault.

    If you have some real issue with the court proceeding then address them
    Oh nope, I wouldn't want certain posters to be offended by the claim that police stood by Zimmerman's story when he killed a black kid but probably won't throw him a bone now that he's threatened a white woman. I don't understand what's not factual about my statement. I just know a lot of people are offended.
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