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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's why many people, myself included, think it is a bad law. under those provisions, you could chase someone down, attack them and then if it went badly for you, shoot them and then claim self-defense. which is what many people claim actually happened.

    IMHO, based on evidence and witness testimony. I think it went down like this. ZImmerman saw martin and thought he looked suspicious (just like the other 47 or so black guys he thought looked suspicious). followed him in his car. trayvon noticed and ducked between the buildings and instead of going home decided, for some reason, to wait for zimmerman. zimmerman got out of his car to look for trayvon. they met up on the sidewalk and zimmerman asked trayvon what he was doing around there (as testified by W8). either out of fear or indignation, trayvon punched zimmerman in the face and knocked him down. adrenaline kicked in and he got on top of Z to continue the beatdown. Zimmerman panicked and thought Trayvon was going to beat him to death and shot him.
    In that scenario, zimmerman wasn't an aggressor.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

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    All is well in your account...accept Trayvon had time to get home.
    Irrelevant. Under Florida law Martin had no requirement to retreat.

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    He turned around to "confront" Zimmerman...
    Martin attempted to evade twice, walking away from the clubhouse and then running away from the vehicle and in both cases Zimmerman pursued.

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    with his fists.
    There is no evidence of that except Zimmerman's say so.


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    He attacked Zimmerman. The party responsible for the crime was Trayvon.
    There is no evidence of that except Zimmerman's say so.

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    Zimmerman broke no laws. He tried to give police a better description and location and was going back to his truck. Remember his neighborhood had already been victimized twice. He is only guilty of a lesser charge in public opinion where evidence is irrelevant.
    Again, where is the independent source for any of that prior to "John" looking out the back? There is none, that is all based on Zimmerman's story.

    Zimmerman story (read his statement and watch the interrogation video's again) was that he went behind the darkened house to find a street sign - well there are no street signs behind houses. There were not any street signs on the other side of the pass through either. The only street signs were to that (a) west, and (b) south of where Zimmerman exited his truck. He traveled east. Oh wait, house number that was it, he was looking for a house number. Sorry no house numbers behind houses either, as a matter of fact he walked by the front of houses with house numbers posted to proceed to the rear.


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    Don't get me wrong, the jury made the correct call. The prosecution over charged the event (Murder 2 over Manslaughter) and presented a very, VERY weak case in court. Not finding Zimmerman guilty was the correct verdict. However, just because someone believes it was the correct verdict does not mean that they have to believe Zimmerman's story(ies). An individual shown to be willing to lie to the court.



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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Only under very specific conditions such that he had retreated and indicated a willingness to end the fist fight and the person that he'd attacked reengaged..
    nope. that is para 2b. para 2a says nothing about having to retreat. 2a and 2b are "or" stipualtions, not "and" stipulations.



    Quite a bit. I've seen a number of real-life fights before and just because you have a boo-boo on your face and a small cut on the back of the head does not mean you are out.


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    this is true, but it has been my experience, and I fought a lot as a kid/teen, once you knock someone to the ground, most, if not all, of the fight goes out of them.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    In that scenario, zimmerman wasn't an aggressor.
    IMHO, I don't think he was. I was merely pointing out the law which would have covered him even if he had been the aggressor.
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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    IMO this is shaping up just like OJ.

    Douche did the crime. Douche got off. Douche ends up in jail anyway because he can't hide his douchiness forever.
    it is almost scary how their lives seem identical.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's why many people, myself included, think it is a bad law. under those provisions, you could chase someone down, attack them and then if it went badly for you, shoot them and then claim self-defense. which is what many people claim actually happened.

    IMHO, based on evidence and witness testimony. I think it went down like this. ZImmerman saw martin and thought he looked suspicious (just like the other 47 or so black guys he thought looked suspicious). followed him in his car. trayvon noticed and ducked between the buildings and instead of going home decided, for some reason, to wait for zimmerman. zimmerman got out of his car to look for trayvon. they met up on the sidewalk and zimmerman asked trayvon what he was doing around there (as testified by W8). either out of fear or indignation, trayvon punched zimmerman in the face and knocked him down. adrenaline kicked in and he got on top of Z to continue the beatdown. Zimmerman panicked and thought Trayvon was going to beat him to death and shot him.

    You scenario doesn't account for Martin being on the phone with Rachel during the event. Which phone records show he was. The idea that someone is going to wait in ambush for someone while holding a voice conversation over the phone is a little hard to believe.

    An alternate scenario is that after attempting to evade the weird dude in the pickup truck that was following him around the complex (once by walking away from the clubhouse and the second by running away from the vehicle), Martin ran behind the buildings and having broken visual contact thought that was the end of it. So while on the phone with his female friend he's telling her what was going on. Zimmerman having exited the vehicle began his search and found Martin in the rear of the building. Martin attempts to leave again and drops his phone as Zimmerman grabs him and saying he's not going anywhere. Martin surprises Zimmerman buy fighting back and Martin gets a good shot into Zimmerman's face.


    That of course is just another hypothetical. Since Zimmerman is the survivor, his story is the only one we hear as to how it actually started.


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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarian View Post
    What is incredible is if you read my past posting history you would know I was big supporter of Martin in his right to stand his ground against a threat that was following him that night. But your own hatred towards white folks and conservatives in perticaular won't allow you to accept those terms.

    So rant away.....and show the forum members what angry blackman sounds like.
    My hatred towards white folks

    You know that about me huh .. or is it the 'black' that's confusing you? :0)

    This is going to be fun.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Karma has a way of sorting all these things out equally.



    It doesn't always happen, but from time to time karma does catch up with people.

    O.J. Simpson is a good example of this.




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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    My hatred towards white folks

    You know that about me huh .. or is it the 'black' that's confusing you? :0)

    This is going to be fun.
    More precisely conservatives you hate......being white is just icing on the cake.

    The question is....do you know any conservatives? Or are you just echoing the left-wing extremist propaganda.

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    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida

    Listening to the 911 call again, I have to say that either Zimmerman's girlfriend an amazing actress or telling the 911 dispatcher the truth of what was occurring.

    Zimmerman's 911 call, knowing the cops were actually outside trying to get inside, is very reminiscent of the call he made to 911 before shooting Trayvon Martin.
    A man without fear is a fool, a man that succumbs to his fear is a coward and a brave man acknowledges fear yet presses on.
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