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George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

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The Martin case is over, get over it.

Are you inflamed? Take a Midol, then, answer my question. Bet ya won't. ;)
 
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I read them and apparently you did not. since I seem to know more about what they said than you.

did you not see the two quotes from two of your articles that said exactly the same thing I did? :laughat:

all your articles demonstrate is that blacks get arrested more often. a point which is not in contention.

there is nothing in any of the articles you linked that supports your ridiculous claim that whites are BY FAR the biggest users of illegal drugs.

in case you missed or ignored them again:

two quotes from the articles you linked



and



self pwnage is the best pwnage :laughat:

:0) Let's see ..

WHITES ARE THE BIGGEST USERS OF ILLEGAL DRUGS IN THIS COUNTRY BY FAR. I said that.

Just using what you so anxiously highlighted in red .. if whites and blacks are using drugs at the same rates .. which is disputable according to which drug one is talking about .. as indicated in the articles .. then given the disparity in population totals, would that not indicate that there are FAR more white people using drugs than black?

.. and to given that truth .. that absolute FACT .. it plays into the larger question of arrest, probation, sentencing, and the wide disparities found there.

Here is something you skipped right over ..

"White Americans are more likely than black Americans to have used most kinds of illegal drugs, including cocaine, marijuana and LSD. Yet blacks are far more likely to go to prison for drug offenses."

I can post lots and lots of intelligent thought and statistics that you just skipped right over throughout the articles I posted.

Your approval of anything I post is not required. I'm real comfortable letting facts speak for themselves.

Btw .. words like 'pwnage' is for adolescents.
 
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You're entitled to your opinion .. as I am mine.

No one said you weren't. It's just expected that your opinion makes some type of sense

I make no attempt to change your mind about anything you believe. I'm voicing my perspective, my action, and what I see happening.

ok, but you're failing to actually explain your opinion in any meaningful way. You're simply throwing out racially charged terms then failing to defend their use when asked. When asked, you simply cop-out and go "well, that's like my opinion, man". Great, but that hardly shows a logical connection between anything.

From my perspective and the perspective of a great many, the Martin case is racist

Ok, based on what?,

the application of 'stand your ground' is racist

"stand your ground" wasn't even applied to the case. It was a basic self-defense claim


and the vast majority of those who support both are republican.

Which really has nothing to do with anything here

It is not required that you agree with any of that.

Agree with what? You seemingly lack the ability to articulate anything here besides general outrage, with you seemingly being unable to even explain *what* you are outraged about

What is important is those who do believe it have the right to lawfully act upon it. Your participation is not required.

No one claimed you didn't have a right to be pointlessly outraged. One just would hope that there was some logical basis for the things you do, beyond "I'm mad"

You have a right to believe whatever you want.

You know what else I can do? Defend those beliefs on some logical basis ...
 
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Explain how stand your ground is racist.

There is only one race. The human race.

arguing some totally idealistic and naive viewpoint does little to further your cause here. Regardless if race is completely a social construct, or not, people regularly view and divide each other based on such criteria
 
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:0) That's a good line .. I often use it myself. ALL modern humans evolve from the same genetic mother .. in Africa.

Is There Racial Bias in “Stand Your Ground” Laws? | Criminal Justice | FRONTLINE | PBS

Racism Is the Problem, Not the Stand Your Ground Laws - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com

I repeat, it is the application of these laws that are the problem .. no differently than the application of drug laws. Both are undeniably racist in their application.


result and bias are not the same thing ...
 
Of late you dont even have to call them racist, they simply deny it, then say something racist. But yea, you are correct.

I suggest you two look up a simple term "ad hominem" and learn the value of being able to actually dissect an argument. It might have the unintended consequence of making you look informed
 
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I read them and apparently you did not. since I seem to know more about what they said than you.

did you not see the two quotes from two of your articles that said exactly the same thing I did? :laughat:

all your articles demonstrate is that blacks get arrested more often. a point which is not in contention.

there is nothing in any of the articles you linked that supports your ridiculous claim that whites are BY FAR the biggest users of illegal drugs.

in case you missed or ignored them again:

two quotes from the articles you linked

There’s a perception among many individuals that African Americans as a group — regardless of socioeconomic status — tend to abuse or use drugs at higher rate and this [does not support] that.”

Read more: Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

According to the federal Centers for Disease Control, he's (white male youth )4 times more likely than his African- American classmate to be a regular cocaine user.

White Kids Are Much More Likely to Use and Sell Drugs, Yet Black Kids Are More Likely to Go to Prison

Seems to be quite a bit of information available to support this claim. In addition, and I'll provide sources if you would like, they are disproportionately arrested for it are more likely to be convicted and get harsher sentencing when they are.
 
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Black youth are arrested for drug crimes at a rate ten times higher than that of whites. But new research shows that young African Americans are actually less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance use disorders, compared to whites, Native Americans, Hispanics and people of mixed race.

Read more: Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

Without getting into a debate about the CDC figures presented earlier, these disproportionate outcomes can be addressed by many things and should not be simply assumed to be the product of racism. For example, drug distribution networks are often ethnically based and centered in poorer communities. With those in african american majority areas operating openly and being very easily accessible to law enforcement for those reasons. There are also other effects that poverty unfortunately has, like access to adequate legal representation, etc
 
I was replying directly to someone with my opinion adding to his thought. Which argument are you referring too? As for making me look informed to you, all I would have to do is start mindlessly spouting the conservative RW drivel you would think I was a genius. I know what ad hom is, you just did it. Did you have some sort of contribution to the conversation? Oh yea, nevermind...
I suggest you two look up a simple term "ad hominem" and learn the value of being able to actually dissect an argument. It might have the unintended consequence of making you look informed
 
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blah blah, quibble quibble.

I don't blame you, it is embarrassing to be shown to be wrong. but don't get mad at me. I didn't pick your articles. you picked 'em, you linked 'em. it's not my fault that they didn't say what you thought/wanted them to say.

but, to play by your rules:

Whites are by far the hardest workers in the country, since they have BY FAR more jobs than blacks

Whites are by far the smartest race in the country, since they have BY FAR more college degrees than blacks

Whites are by far the most successful race in the country, since they have BY FAR more property and money than blacks.


:laughat:

yes, I too am fine with letting the facts (like the fact that 72% of blacks are born to unwed mothers) speak for themselves.
 
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White Kids Are Much More Likely To Be Using (And Selling) Drugs!

you realize none of the quoted figures actually support the highlighted claim?
 
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you realize none of the quoted figures actually support the highlighted claim?

this is the statement I was referring to "claim that whites are BY FAR the biggest users of illegal drugs." It doesn't say anything about selling in the post I responded to.
 
I was replying directly to someone with my opinion adding to his thought. Which argument are you referring too? As for making me look informed to you, all I would have to do is start mindlessly spouting the conservative RW drivel you would think I was a genius.

Well, it would depend if that "conservative RW drivel" could be defended on it's own merits or not.

I know what ad hom is, you just did it.

Actually, no, an ad hom would require that I attack your character to dismiss some argument from you. Pointing out that you are promoting the use of an ad hom and how such makes you look uninformed does not do that

Did you have some sort of contribution to the conversation? Oh yea, nevermind...

Yes, I have made many so far
 
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this is the statement I was referring to "claim that whites are BY FAR the biggest users of illegal drugs." It doesn't say anything about selling in the post I responded to.

It's contained in the headline of one of the sources you cited ...
 
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There’s a perception among many individuals that African Americans as a group — regardless of socioeconomic status — tend to abuse or use drugs at higher rate and this [does not support] that.”

Read more: Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

According to the federal Centers for Disease Control, he's (white male youth )4 times more likely than his African- American classmate to be a regular cocaine user.

White Kids Are Much More Likely to Use and Sell Drugs, Yet Black Kids Are More Likely to Go to Prison

Seems to be quite a bit of information available to support this claim. In addition, and I'll provide sources if you would like, they are disproportionately arrested for it are more likely to be convicted and get harsher sentencing when they are.

that's funny since I linked and quoted the actual stats from the CDC that clearly show that blacks and whites abuse illegal drugs at about the same rate.


also funny that neither of you have actually linked the stats, but instead insist on linking someone else's interpretation of the stats.

like BaC said, link the actual stats and let the FACTS speak for themselves......
 
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It's contained in the headline of one of the sources you cited ...

Since it's not the statement I was addressing anyway I don't really care. Besides, I wasn't responding to you.
 
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point being: since whites outnumber blacks by a factor of 6 to 1, it is dishonest to use raw numbers to make a claim that whites are bigger drug users, when all the evidence clearly shows that regardless of race, people in the US use illegal drugs at about the same rate.
 
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Since it's not the statement I was addressing anyway I don't really care. Besides, I wasn't responding to you.

well, when someone so dishonestly misrepresents their data it calls into question their value as a source
 
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Are you inflamed? Take a Midol, then, answer my question. Bet ya won't. ;)

That's because your question is foolish, and irrelevant. The problems Z has with domestic situations is most likely due to his own poor choice in women, coupled with mental issues. Not his acquittal.
 
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Without getting into a debate about the CDC figures presented earlier, these disproportionate outcomes can be addressed by many things and should not be simply assumed to be the product of racism. For example, drug distribution networks are often ethnically based and centered in poorer communities. With those in african american majority areas operating openly and being very easily accessible to law enforcement for those reasons. There are also other effects that poverty unfortunately has, like access to adequate legal representation, etc

Every aspect of this issue has been studied from virtually every angle. Racism is at the core of arrests, probation, and sentencing and this conclusion is well known.

In Order to Address Racism, We Must Confront the Drug War | Drug Policy Alliance
excerpt

Revealed throughout the Zimmerman trial, as Trayvon Martin’s character was scrutinized for signs of how threatened Zimmerman may have felt by him, was the uncomfortable truth that racism results in black men being commonly viewed as menacing simply for being human.

From clothing to intoxicants, what is normal and innocuous in another context becomes sinister when associated with black men and boys. Mark Zuckerberg’s hoodie is a sign of millennial individuality and irreverence, whereas Trayvon’s hoodie is a sign of being a “wannabe gangster.” From Martha Stewart to Justin Bieber, marijuana is becoming increasingly socially acceptable. And although no one recommends marijuana use by teenagers, when was the last time someone made a case for justifiable homicide of a suburban white kid by noting trace amounts of THC found in their system, as was done in the case of Trayvon?

Being black means living a life saturated by double standards. When the skin you live in is viewed as inherently suspicious, anything you do can provoke fear and hostility. It takes a special effort to convince people of the humanity and worth of a young black man in a way that is not required for others. The day after the Zimmerman verdict, a friend and I went to see the film “Fruitvale Station,” a poignant and powerful account of the life of Oscar Grant, a young black man from Oakland, and the events leading up to his death at the hands of a Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) officer in 2009.

Trayvon and Oscar were from opposite sides of the country and in many ways lived different lives but in the aftermath of their murders, as arguments were put forth for why they could have been seen as suspicious or potentially threatening, a history of involvement with drugs was cited. Drugs remain an enduring part the collection of social and historical biases commonly summoned to put the character of young black men under a microscope. The underlying assumption seems to be it is not so much a matter what you do but who you are.

From caffeine to nicotine to aspirin to alcohol, when was the last time most of us have experienced a truly “drug free” day in our lives? By and large, we regularly consume some sort of substance that alters how we feel or offers pleasure instead of pain. This is why drug prohibition has been such a pernicious tool for perpetuating bias, corruption and bigotry. When the power is granted to selectively criminalize behavior that everyone engages in, unequal applications of law and social judgment are inevitable. This is why civil rights advocate and academic Michelle Alexander calls the drug war “The New Jim Crow.”

Frank conversations about race at the national level are long overdue. If any good is to come from the Trayvon Martin tragedy, hopefully it will include bringing this dialogue to the forefront. But we absolutely cannot talk about race without talking about the war on drugs. This failed social experiment not only leads to the disproportionate targeting, arrest, conviction and incarceration of people of color, despite equal rates of drug consumption across race, it fuels the underlying thread of judgment, stigma and marginalization that permeates how we value human life and enable acts of violence.

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If FAR more whites are using illegal drugs than anyone else in this country, and illegal drugs are being used at the same rates .. then how is it that non-white people are the icon for drug use?

Racism
 
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There’s a perception among many individuals that African Americans as a group — regardless of socioeconomic status — tend to abuse or use drugs at higher rate and this [does not support] that.”

Read more: Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

According to the federal Centers for Disease Control, he's (white male youth )4 times more likely than his African- American classmate to be a regular cocaine user.

White Kids Are Much More Likely to Use and Sell Drugs, Yet Black Kids Are More Likely to Go to Prison

Seems to be quite a bit of information available to support this claim. In addition, and I'll provide sources if you would like, they are disproportionately arrested for it are more likely to be convicted and get harsher sentencing when they are.

Absolutely correct. :applaud
 
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That's because your question is foolish, and irrelevant. The problems Z has with domestic situations is most likely due to his own poor choice in women, coupled with mental issues. Not his acquittal.

That's not what I asked at all and you're still ducking and dodging. :)
 
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Every aspect of this issue has been studied from virtually every angle. Racism is at the core of arrests, probation, and sentencing and this conclusion is well known.

you keep posting opnion pieces. I suggest figuring out the difference between actual data supporting your argument and someone basically making assertions on the internet

If FAR more whites are using illegal drugs than anyone else in this country, and illegal drugs are being used at the same rates .. then how is it that non-white people are the icon for drug use?

I'm not sure they are.
 
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you keep posting opnion pieces. I suggest figuring out the difference between actual data supporting your argument and someone basically making assertions on the internet



I'm not sure they are.

So much for your grasp of statistics.
 
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