Page 106 of 107 FirstFirst ... 65696104105106107 LastLast
Results 1,051 to 1,060 of 1069

Thread: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

  1. #1051
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    12-13-17 @ 11:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,736

    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Oh, so if you apply this line or reasoning to OJ Simpson...You can be guilty and it not be proven so you are found not guilty, no one knows if you are innocent. Z was not proven innocent, just like OJ was not proven innocent.
    Again, it is impossible to prove someone innocent, because they are, legally, considered innocent until proven guilty.

    Zimmerman was not proven guilty, and OJ Simpson was not proven guilty - court decides they are not guilty, thus still innocent.

    This is by design completely separate from the court of opinion, which pronounced both of them either innocent or guilty, depending on who you talked to, long before the trials occurred.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  2. #1052
    Sage
    mak2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Indiana
    Last Seen
    07-08-16 @ 01:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,050

    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

    I am not going back thru the 1000+ post but the reason I got on this was because they keep trying to say Z was proven innocent. He most certainly was not.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Again, it is impossible to prove someone innocent, because they are, legally, considered innocent until proven guilty.

    Zimmerman was not proven guilty, and OJ Simpson was not proven guilty - court decides they are not guilty, thus still innocent.

    This is by design completely separate from the court of opinion, which pronounced both of them either innocent or guilty, depending on who you talked to, long before the trials occurred.
    God Bless the Marine Corps.

  3. #1053
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    12-13-17 @ 11:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,736

    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I am not going back thru the 1000+ post but the reason I got on this was because they keep trying to say Z was proven innocent. He most certainly was not.
    Agreed.

    But at the same time, he most certainly is not considered guilty in any legal sense, either.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  4. #1054
    Sage
    Excon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Seen
    10-14-17 @ 01:26 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,997

    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It does not mean you are really not guilty, just that there is not enough evidence to convict the person.
    That is nothing more than an excuse used by those who do not like a verdict.

    Especially as in this case, as there was no evidence that supported a guilty verdict.





    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    What we have here, with Zimmerman, is a gun fetishist who sees the point of a gun as the solution to every conflict he encounters.
    It is just a matter of time before he is killed, or locked up for a very long time.
    You are still demonstrating that you know not of what you speak.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
    (≚ᄌ≚)

  5. #1055
    Farts in Elevators
    OscarB63's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    09-06-14 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    26,526

    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Ok, this is where you are not getting it, if not proven otherwise you are found not guilty. It does not mean you are really not guilty, just that there is not enough evidence to convict the person. YOu cannot make the statement because someone is found not guilty they really did not do it (innocent).
    call it "not guilty", call it "innocent". you are quibbling over semantics. If you are found "not guilty" in court then, in the eyes of the law, you did not commit the crime. of course, you will always get those who disagree with the verdict to come in squealing "he did it, they just couldn't prove it"

    that is why we have the presumption of innocence.
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

    An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

  6. #1056
    Farts in Elevators
    OscarB63's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    09-06-14 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    26,526

    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That is nothing more than an excuse used by those who do not like a verdict.

    Especially as in this case, as there was no evidence that supported a guilty verdict.





    You are still demonstrating that you know not of what you speak.
    bolded: spot on.
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

    An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

  7. #1057
    Farts in Elevators
    OscarB63's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    09-06-14 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    26,526

    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Again, it is impossible to prove someone innocent, because they are, legally, considered innocent until proven guilty.

    Zimmerman was not proven guilty, and OJ Simpson was not proven guilty - court decides they are not guilty, thus still innocent.

    This is by design completely separate from the court of opinion, which pronounced both of them either innocent or guilty, depending on who you talked to, long before the trials occurred.
    again, spot on. you are presumed to be innocent. if they cannot prove otherwise, the presumption stands and you are, in fact, innocent.
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

    An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

  8. #1058
    Sage
    mak2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Indiana
    Last Seen
    07-08-16 @ 01:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,050

    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

    I am not disagreeing with the verdict, I am pointing out there is a world of difference in being found not guilty and proven innocent. Zimmerman was not proven innocent. It is just a fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    call it "not guilty", call it "innocent". you are quibbling over semantics. If you are found "not guilty" in court then, in the eyes of the law, you did not commit the crime. of course, you will always get those who disagree with the verdict to come in squealing "he did it, they just couldn't prove it"

    that is why we have the presumption of innocence.
    God Bless the Marine Corps.

  9. #1059
    Farts in Elevators
    OscarB63's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    09-06-14 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    26,526

    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I am not disagreeing with the verdict, I am pointing out there is a world of difference in being found not guilty and proven innocent. Zimmerman was not proven innocent. It is just a fact.
    Zimmerman was presumed innocent. it was not proven otherwise. the presumption stands and he is therefore still innocent.
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

    An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

  10. #1060
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,322

    Re: George Zimmerman Arrested Again In Central Florida [W:351]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I am not disagreeing with the verdict, I am pointing out there is a world of difference in being found not guilty and proven innocent. Zimmerman was not proven innocent. It is just a fact.
    I am beginning to wonder if you even understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •