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A Russian GPS Using U.S. Soil Stirs Spy Fears

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/w...fears.html?ref=centralintelligenceagency&_r=0


WASHINGTON — In the view of America’s spy services, the next potential threat from Russia may not come from a nefarious cyberweapon or secrets gleaned from the files of Edward J. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor now in Moscow.

An engineer with a space navigation satellite for Glonass, Russia’s global positioning network, in Zheleznogorsk in 2011.


Instead, this menace may come in the form of a seemingly innocuous dome-topped antenna perched atop an electronics-packed building surrounded by a security fence somewhere in the United States.

In recent months, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Pentagon have been quietly waging a campaign to stop the State Department from allowing Roscosmos, the Russian space agency, to build about half a dozen of these structures, known as monitor stations, on United States soil, several American officials said.

They fear that these structures could help Russia spy on the United States and improve the precision of Russian weaponry, the officials said. These monitor stations, the Russians contend, would significantly improve the accuracy and reliability of Moscow’s version of the Global Positioning System, the American satellite network that steers guided missiles to their targets and thirsty smartphone users to the nearest Starbucks.

We'll build these for them, and they'll be packed with explosive underneath. :mrgreen:
 
Weird. That is a really bizarre story. Do the Europeans and Chinese need these domes for their systems and do we need have them in Russia? Do you know? :)

The equivalent addition to the GPS system is called WAAS. (wide area augmentation system) It provides a correction signal that improves GPS accuracy. WAAS is installed in the US, Mexico, and Canada. A GPS-compatible system is already operating in Europe. The Chinese are currently developing a system that is compatible. Not sure about Russia.

Cold War is over, folks.
 
Those Commie Soviets are up to their old... what? Ended over 20 years ago? We won the cold war already? We've been spying on the Russians for decades now, and they've been spying back on us? Really? Where have I been all this time?

Welcome to the 21st. century.
 
Well, maybe those mystery barges aren't google server farms after all......

And if you gave people the choice of having to give up their GPS or allowing it to potentially be used to kill them, they would vote Tom Tom, because Americans are self-interested, short-sighted petulant idiots if nothing else.
 
It's almost ironic that I just finished reading 1984.
 
While I'd prefer Russia not spy inside America, I'm not going to hyperventilate about it for a couple of reasons: 1) our own government spies on us, 2) we take in Russian immigrants that are likely spies and 3) the Russian embassy comes equipped with spies.
 
Most liberals don't care that billyjeff enabled them to buy technology so their missiles could target cities, and we expect this to bother anyone! Billyjeff also gave them the technology to make their subs silent, but who cares right?
 
Well, maybe those mystery barges aren't google server farms after all......

And if you gave people the choice of having to give up their GPS or allowing it to potentially be used to kill them, they would vote Tom Tom, because Americans are self-interested, short-sighted petulant idiots if nothing else.

Or maybe some of us are able to assess the likelihood of that GPS "potentially" being used to kill us.
 
Or maybe some of us are able to assess the likelihood of that GPS "potentially" being used to kill us.

The government doesn't mind smudging out sensitive sights such as the White House from google earth to keep people from getting precise GPS coordinates now does it? Wonder why.....
 
Most liberals don't care that billyjeff enabled them to buy technology so their missiles could target cities, and we expect this to bother anyone! Billyjeff also gave them the technology to make their subs silent, but who cares right?

I am fairly confident Russia has known how to target our cities for at least 5 decades. Could be mistaken about that, but don't think so.
 
The equivalent addition to the GPS system is called WAAS. (wide area augmentation system) It provides a correction signal that improves GPS accuracy. WAAS is installed in the US, Mexico, and Canada. A GPS-compatible system is already operating in Europe. The Chinese are currently developing a system that is compatible. Not sure about Russia.

Cold War is over, folks.

It is certainly over, but there is a new one on the building. A pity it might not be as benign as the last. The structure is less safe.
 
If the CIA is doing something "silently" why am I reading about it on the internet? All is lost. :roll:
It is certainly over, but there is a new one on the building. A pity it might not be as benign as the last. The structure is less safe.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/w...fears.html?ref=centralintelligenceagency&_r=0




We'll build these for them, and they'll be packed with explosive underneath. :mrgreen:

Now we start to worry about the security risk GPS technology presents :roll:

Russian satellites have been a threat since Sputnik. Anyone who thinks the Russians just gave up and did their own thing after 1991 is naive at best. The Russians aren't idiots, if they can use our own tech against us they will. GPS reveals too damned much, and should be highly restricted. If I can use a Garmin I got on sale for 50 bucks to navigate a military post that I won't name, something is wrong, and **** has gone too far.

What the hell happened to OPSEC?
 
Now we start to worry about the security risk GPS technology presents :roll:

Russian satellites have been a threat since Sputnik. Anyone who thinks the Russians just gave up and did their own thing after 1991 is naive at best. The Russians aren't idiots, if they can use our own tech against us they will. GPS reveals too damned much, and should be highly restricted. If I can use a Garmin I got on sale for 50 bucks to navigate a military post that I won't name, something is wrong, and **** has gone too far.

What the hell happened to OPSEC?

GPS location data is not a military secret. But you're saying on a military installation you shouldn't be getting anything?
 
If the CIA is doing something "silently" why am I reading about it on the internet? All is lost. :roll:

Maybe they want you to know that they are working for their money.
 
GPS location data is not a military secret. But you're saying on a military installation you shouldn't be getting anything?

No military base, CONUS or OCONUS, should show up as anything but an empty field, or some bull**** that covers up what it really is. If it's an open post that allows civilians in, regular jack offs looking to see the museums or whatever else is open to the public can get directions from the visitors center after a thorough check of person and property. Too much crap has happened to allow such a huge security risk to carry on. Last time I checked, we're still in a state of war with sneaky bastards who use any means necessary to murder and maim the American People, as well as US Military personnel.
 
No military base, CONUS or OCONUS, should show up as anything but an empty field, or some bull**** that covers up what it really is. If it's an open post that allows civilians in, regular jack offs looking to see the museums or whatever else is open to the public can get directions from the visitors center after a thorough check of person and property. Too much crap has happened to allow such a huge security risk to carry on. Last time I checked, we're still in a state of war with sneaky bastards who use any means necessary to murder and maim the American People, as well as US Military personnel.

People need to stop geotagging their photos, that's how some Marines got killed in Afghanistan.
 
The equivalent addition to the GPS system is called WAAS. (wide area augmentation system) It provides a correction signal that improves GPS accuracy. WAAS is installed in the US, Mexico, and Canada. A GPS-compatible system is already operating in Europe. The Chinese are currently developing a system that is compatible. Not sure about Russia.

Cold War is over, folks.

I wondered about that myself, the WAAS type thing.

The Russian system is, or at least used to be, called GLONASS, an acronym of some sort. But it's been operating for years. I cannot imagine how or why they need these proposed monitoring sites on US soil, but it doesn't seem to be that big a deal for me.
 
The government doesn't mind smudging out sensitive sights such as the White House from google earth to keep people from getting precise GPS coordinates now does it? Wonder why.....

... Because the location of the goddamned White House is such a big secret? :lamo

Dude. Google earth doesn't have blurred images to obscure the location of important buildings. Russia doesn't need to improve GPS accuracy to hit the White House with a missile.

This entire "fear" is completely ridiculous. Russia can already accurately bomb things.
 
I wondered about that myself, the WAAS type thing.

The Russian system is, or at least used to be, called GLONASS, an acronym of some sort. But it's been operating for years. I cannot imagine how or why they need these proposed monitoring sites on US soil, but it doesn't seem to be that big a deal for me.

It allows for more accurate and more reliable guidance for aircraft equipped with those systems.
 
Most liberals don't care that billyjeff enabled them to buy technology so their missiles could target cities, and we expect this to bother anyone! Billyjeff also gave them the technology to make their subs silent, but who cares right?

Most liberals don't care that you make sweeping statements with nothing but smoke to back them up. Most liberals ignore such things. It's the people who want desperately to believe that liberals are all evil and conservatives are all good that take such statements with an "Aha! Just as I always thought!"
 
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