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Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges[W:287]

Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

I really don't know, as there is insufficient information.

I personally have never had a situation like this as I have a large inside dog who alerts me about everything.

I honestly fear that the homeowner might have been half awake at 0430 hrs, and might have been guilty of poor judgement and bad gun handling.

Some folks are in a stupor when awakened in early hours, some are not.

If the girl was literally trying to come through the door, I could see SD.

In a similar situation, I would have had a loaded handgun in my hand and held low and out of sight - I have answered the door in this manner as we live out in the country.

I have a shotgun, but don't like using it for SD as they are too big and you are holding it in full view.

I did not want the person to see that I was armed, and I have never had an issue.

I was not there, so I cannot speak specifically about it.

I've answered my door the same way. Handgun out of sight. No one who "belongs" is going to be knocking on my door at 1 AM in the morning, that's for sure. I'd have no problem answering the door with a shotgun, though. It's pretty intimidating. I mean, there's hardly a question one would miss.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

Your take on this is very odd.

My take is that somebody used the wrong word. By no stretch of the imagination was there a screen door, a storm door and an interior door. You've gone to the bank and back that there was. (The bank was closed.)

My take is, sans this word-picking going on, that the guy shot through the storm door after he opened the interior door. The storm door, according to the article, was found locked. There was no evidence of break-in. Period.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

My take is that somebody used the wrong word. By no stretch of the imagination was there a screen door, a storm door and an interior door. You've gone to the bank and back that there was. (The bank was closed.)

My take is, sans this word-picking going on, that the guy shot through the storm door after he opened the interior door. The storm door, according to the article, was found locked. There was no evidence of break-in. Period.

In this scenario, and with extrapolating with speculation from usual human behavior... he may have been alarmed by her, perhaps she was rattling the door trying to open it. She may have been frightened and agitated and was certainly intoxicated, which could lead him to misinterpret her behavior. He may have taken aim with his finger on the trigger, and accidentally fired. This all seems reasonable to me based on what has been said so far, and also making A LOT of assumptions.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

In this scenario, and with extrapolating with speculation from usual human behavior... he may have been alarmed by her, perhaps she was rattling the door trying to open it. She may have been frightened and agitated and was certainly intoxicated, which could lead him to misinterpret her behavior. He may have taken aim with his finger on the trigger, and accidentally fired. This all seems reasonable to me based on what has been said so far, and also making A LOT of assumptions.

Yeah, I agree. As a civilized society, we can't overlook reckless use of a firearm. She hadn't broken in. She wasn't armed. I rather agree with Excon that he's being over-charged. That rankles me because I think they're bowing to political pressure. But it's wrong that a young unarmed girl died that night. There's a reasonable charge there someplace. Unless they can prove this guy acted with malice, I think they're going to have a hard time with this one.
 
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Yeah, I agree. As a civilized society, we can't overlook reckless use of a firearm. She hadn't broken in. She wasn't armed. I rather agree with Excon that he's being over-charged. That rankles me because I think they're bowing to political pressure. But it's wrong that a young unarmed girl died that night. There's a reasonable charge there someplace. Unless they can prove this guy acted with malice, I think they're going to have a hard time with this one.

I am leaning that way as well.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

My take is that somebody used the wrong word.
That clearly wasn't the take I quoted and responded to.

You've gone to the bank and back that there was. (The bank was closed.)
:naughty
Nor have I banked anything.
I have recognized from the onset that it may be incorrect. (Which you still haven't been able to show.)

I stated "She had the outer storm door open.".
And you asked where that came from.
I provided the source, as I should do.
And said what?

I am glad you asked.

[...]

Storm door opened, screen door locked. :shrug:
Now I have no idea if what has been reported is true, but that would be one hell of a thing to attribute to Prosecutor Worthy as saying if she hadn't said it.

Is that banking MaggieD?
I seriously doubt it.


You then provided your assumptions and belief that it wasn't correct without anything to support said belief.

And I reply with what? Questions and a showing that I have no idea if it is true. Only that it is what has been reported.

Really?
You know that how?

I am not saying the report is accurate, as I understand that mistakes can be made.
But you are going to have to show me that it was a mistake, and not just something you believe.

Is that banking MaggieD?
I seriously doubt it.

So you then ask and assume. And I make reply to it as "In the scenario".
What is it that you believe? That there was a storm door and a screen door? I fail to see that it's a material difference in any case -- whether it was glass or screen. He obviously had the main interior door open. It is reported that the exterior door/screen or glass was locked. What is it that you presume happened that is contradictory to the photo you posted above?
You apparently want to ignore what was reported.
Storm door open, screen door locked.
In that scenario she had already opened one door to his home at oh-dark-thirty in the morning and proceeded with the banging.

Is "In that scenario" banking MaggieD?
Obviously not.

There was no going to the bank MaggieD.
 
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Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

Just to point out: Excon's top photo doesn't show anything of value at all, since the shot was to the face, and that photo doesn't show a face level shot of the doors.
You are assuming you know where her face and even the gun was when it discharged.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

And drunk with Mary Jane in your system, which generally eliminates rational thought.




Being intoxicated by alcohol and/or marijuana is not a capital crime.

In any case society didn't give the guy who killed that young lady permission to do what he did.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

Being intoxicated by alcohol and/or marijuana is not a capital crime.

In any case society didn't give the guy who killed that young lady permission to do what he did.

Never said either - read much?
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

You are assuming you know where her face and even the gun was when it discharged.

Since you seem to want to argue unknown details, why don't you just drive there and ask the PD for the evidence to study.

Then you can return here with concrete and convincing evidence.

Until then, you have nothing more than anyone else except for your uneducated speculation.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

You are assuming you know where her face and even the gun was when it discharged.

I don't have to assume anything. I would only have to admit the mere possibility that her face would be at face level for that picture to be unable to tell me anything of value. I would only have to admit the mere possibility for the gun to be at a certain level as well. No assumptions necessary.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

That is a bargaining chip to pressure for a plea deal - as I predicted.


Yup. it could also backfire on the prosecution tho...
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

I don't have to assume anything. I would only have to admit the mere possibility that her face would be at face level for that picture to be unable to tell me anything of value. I would only have to admit the mere possibility for the gun to be at a certain level as well. No assumptions necessary.

And at what other level would ones face be - toe level perhaps, or maybe even belly button level?

Seriously!?
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

This seemed necessary.

Screen door - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A screen door can refer to a hinged storm door (cold climates) or hinged screen door (warm climates) covering an exterior door; or a screened sliding door used with sliding glass doors. In any case, the screen door incorporates screen mesh to block flying insects from entering and pets and small children from exiting interior spaces, while allowing for air, light, and views. For the purposes of this article, a screen door will be considered to be the latter type used with a sliding glass door.

Storm door - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A storm door is a type of door that is installed in front of an exterior access door to protect it from bad weather and allow ventilation. Storm doors typically have interchangeable glass panels and window screen panels to provide visibility and prevent flying insects from entering the home.

I gather by this information that depending where you live, a storm door = a screen door, and that they serve the same purpose - allowing air in while keeping insects/debris out and pets/children in.

But since a storm door incorporates a screen portion and a glass portion, or interchangeable panels depending on the season, having a screen door AND a storm door would be redundant.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

And at what other level would ones face be - toe level perhaps, or maybe even belly button level?

Seriously!?

I could see waist level, but unlikely.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

I don't know why you're focusing on the fact that she left the scene and disappeared for two hours. It doesn't seem important to me. Just curious

The accused didn't know this, so it had nothing to do with his intent or motive. And it doesn't show that she was a threat to him. It's not like crashing your car while drunk driving and then leaving the scene is a thing that motivates people to break into a persons' home and hurt them.

If I had to guess about why she disappeared, I'd say that either she wanted to take some time to sober up, or she banged her head and was disoriented from the crash.

This was my thought. Think about it, you're 19 yrs old out with friends, your ****ed up but drive anyway and you crash your car. It seems to make more sense that that it freaked her out and she wanted to sober up before talking to the cops about the accident or seeing her parents. That would be a pretty typically stupid call by a 19yr old.. "pounding" on the door of a strangers house, with the plan of charging and overtaking whoever answered it ....pretty unlikely. Especially is she got a chance to see that it was a 6' man outweighing her by what 60lbs? Also, what would be her reasons for doing so?
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

People are already blaming the victim for staggering too far while seeking help.

If you have any evidence that she was asking for help, present it.

Since it learned he fired thru the screen NONE legitimate I read are blaming her. That doesn't mean the question of how was she acting is fully irrelevant.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

Yup. it could also backfire on the prosecution tho...

Yes, possibly so. The prosecutor more opens up the question of motive - ie what was in his mind - and likely there is nothing to show maliciousness. This more allows a jury to ask each him/herself what would he/she be thinking work up at 3:40 am, half awake, and when you open the door there is a drug-crazed person covered in blood coming at you. This situation, he didn't create at all startled him leading to him pulling the trigger. Sure, a very LONG shot, but the more doors the prosecutor opens, the more doors the defense can go thru.

I do think, at this point, the DA and city/county overall are deeply concerned at the potential civil unrest due to the demographics and number of unemployed African-Americans, which is averted merely by adding "murder" to the charge. I suspect the prosecutor's office at this time is more concerned of that potential than the case itself. I would expect this case to plea out when enough time has passed so that it is history.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

This was my thought. Think about it, you're 19 yrs old out with friends, your ****ed up but drive anyway and you crash your car. It seems to make more sense that that it freaked her out and she wanted to sober up before talking to the cops about the accident or seeing her parents. That would be a pretty typically stupid call by a 19yr old.. "pounding" on the door of a strangers house, with the plan of charging and overtaking whoever answered it ....pretty unlikely. Especially is she got a chance to see that it was a 6' man outweighing her by what 60lbs? Also, what would be her reasons for doing so?
I think that account of her is likely accurate, yes. But it doesn't matter what was in her head, what matters is what was in his head.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

Since you seem to want to argue unknown details,
Pardon me?
Unknown details?
I am stating what the evidence is as provided to us.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

I don't have to assume anything. I would only have to admit the mere possibility that her face would be at face level for that picture to be unable to tell me anything of value. I would only have to admit the mere possibility for the gun to be at a certain level as well. No assumptions necessary.
Nope!
You were assuming. You have no idea where her head was or where the gun was when it discharged.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

Nope!
You were assuming. You have no idea where her head was or where the gun was when it discharged.

I agree that I have no idea where her head was. That is actually the reason why the photo was useless. Not Assuming anything.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

I agree that I have no idea where her head was. That is actually the reason why the photo was useless. Not Assuming anything.
You made an assumption.

Just to point out: Excon's top photo doesn't show anything of value at all, since the shot was to the face, and that photo doesn't show a face level shot of the doors.
That clearly is an assumption.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

This seemed necessary.
iLOL

No it doesn't seem necessary.
But maybe you should forward that information along to the Prosecutor. She may find it helpful.
 
Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

iLOL

No it doesn't seem necessary.
But maybe you should forward that information along to the Prosecutor. She may find it helpful.
It seemed necessary to me.
 
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