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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Tell it to the judge.

    I am sure his lawyer will.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The same credible reason that they left the accident (crime) scene where help was available.
    I don't know why you're focusing on the fact that she left the scene and disappeared for two hours. It doesn't seem important to me. Just curious

    The accused didn't know this, so it had nothing to do with his intent or motive. And it doesn't show that she was a threat to him. It's not like crashing your car while drunk driving and then leaving the scene is a thing that motivates people to break into a persons' home and hurt them.

    If I had to guess about why she disappeared, I'd say that either she wanted to take some time to sober up, or she banged her head and was disoriented from the crash.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't know why you're focusing on the fact that she left the scene and disappeared for two hours. It doesn't seem important to me. Just curious

    The accused didn't know this, so it had nothing to do with his intent or motive. And it doesn't show that she was a threat to him. It's not like crashing your car while drunk driving and then leaving the scene is a thing that motivates people to break into a persons' home and hurt them.

    If I had to guess about why she disappeared, I'd say that either she wanted to take some time to sober up, or she banged her head and was disoriented from the crash.
    My point is that it shows that she was certainly more likely to have made other bad decisions and had little concern for the law. Everyone seems convinced that she merely knocked on the door - but based on what?
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    My point is that it shows that she was certainly more likely to have made other bad decisions and had little concern for the law. Everyone seems convinced that she merely knocked on the door - but based on what?
    True. I bet she's crossed on the green, and maybe she's dated the wrong guy. But still, I don't see how it says anything about her posing any sort of threat to the homeowner. He did not know this

    As far as why people think she merely knocked on the door, it may be because the article says:

    Police say McBride crashed a car in nearby Detroit and knocked on the homeowner's door afterwards, looking for assistance. McBride was "bloodied, disoriented and appeared to be confused" after the crash, according to witnesses, Worthy said. Wafer told police he thought McBride was breaking in; he also said his shotgun went off by accident.

    Few details about what happened the early morning of McBride's death had been released before Friday. The Wayne County medical examiner's office ruled her death was a homicide, finding she received a fatal shotgun blast to the face, fired from a distance.

    "There is no evidence of forced entry into the home," Prosecutor Kym Worthy told reporters Friday after announcing the charges, which also included manslaughter and firearms possession during the attempted commission of a felony or commission of a felony. "Our evidence shows she knocked on the locked screen door."
    Now it's possible that she did not "merely" knock on the door. Maybe she also shouted something like "Please help me!" or even "Let me in!". But it doesn't seem like there's any evidence that she said or did anything that would make someone think she was a threat.

    So I'll turn your question around: Some people seem convinced that she did pose a threat - but based on what?
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Where are you getting that? ^^
    I am glad you asked.

    The evidence showed that homeowner Theodore Wafer, 54, shot McBride through a locked screen door after opening the storm door, Worthy said.
    Murder charges after racially-tinged US shooting


    And that he obviously has a storm door.



    Which has since been removed for evidence.



    Storm door opened, screen door locked.
    Now I have no idea if what has been reported is true, but that would be one hell of a thing to attribute to Prosecutor Worthy as saying if she hadn't said it.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    As far as why people think she merely knocked on the door, it may be because the article says:
    Which ignores the 911 call where he says she had been banging on his door.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    True. I bet she's crossed on the green, and maybe she's dated the wrong guy. But still, I don't see how it says anything about her posing any sort of threat to the homeowner. He did not know this

    As far as why people think she merely knocked on the door, it may be because the article says:



    Now it's possible that she did not "merely" knock on the door. Maybe she also shouted something like "Please help me!" or even "Let me in!". But it doesn't seem like there's any evidence that she said or did anything that would make someone think she was a threat.

    So I'll turn your question around: Some people seem convinced that she did pose a threat - but based on what?
    The same article that said that she knocked on the door also said that the homeowner thought that she was breaking in. It did not say that the presumption of a break in was based only upon the knocking at the door, it left out any mention of why the break in was suspected. Much is unknown, and likely too remain so, since the homeowner has been charged and has lawyered up.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The same article that said that she knocked on the door also said that the homeowner thought that she was breaking in. It did not say that the presumption of a break in was based only upon the knocking at the door, it left out any mention of why the break in was suspected. Much is unknown, and likely too remain so, since the homeowner has been charged and has lawyered up.
    Just to be clear - the only evidence that shows she did something to give the accused a reason to believe that she represented a threat is that the accused said he was afraid she was breaking in.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Just to be clear - the only evidence that shows she did something to give the accused a reason to believe that she represented a threat is that the accused said he was afraid she was breaking in.
    And?
    He isn't claiming he shot because she did anything.
    He claims the firearm accidentally discharged.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Manslaughter, yes, but murder? I just don't see it. Murder has to involve malice, and I don't see malice here. I do see manslaugher, but murder charges are ridiculous. What does everybody else think?
    I have not checked MI laws, but 2ND degree murder is not premeditated or known as Malice Aforethought.

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