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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    So Excon sent me a PM in response to this (I think). However he is not accepting PM's, so...

    My response to his PM (which I am not posting):

    I personally view facts as something which has been proven true beyond reasonable doubt.
    I view statements someone makes as claims/statements/opinions. These can be recorded and used as evidence, but what they truly mean is dependent on context, intent, and opinion of listener (to varying degrees). Thus I do not consider them worth as much as facts.
    Ok. That's your opinion. All that matters though is what the state can prove, and what a jury believes.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Except perhaps, someone knocking loudly or banging on your door? Jemmying a door, and knocking loudly tend to indicate different intent - hence my question.
    Not a lot of difference in sound between "banging" on a door and trying to kick a door open. But I get your point.

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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok. That's your opinion. All that matters though is what the state can prove, and what a jury believes.
    True.

    But I like to think (not sure) that the rules courts use to determine what is acceptable evidence and testimony are in some way related to my opinion
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Not a lot of difference in sound between "banging" on a door and trying to kick a door open. But I get your point.
    And I take yours. Having no first hand experience of burglary, I would imagine stealth would be a necessary prerequisite to making off, undetected, with someone else's portable valuables - so it is my surmise that neither banging on the door, nor kicking it down, nor drawing loud attention to your presence in any other way, would assist in that aim.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    True.

    But I like to think (not sure) that the rules courts use to determine what is acceptable evidence and testimony are in some way related to my opinion
    That would be decided by the judge, among other factors. In any case, I don't think in this day and age we can say for certainty how things will turn out in matters of right or wrong.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What matters...and must be proven...is if he BELIEVED he was in danger. A screen door is no protection from anything. Even a drunken crazed women can get thru it. He had no idea if she was armed, why she was acting crazy, why she chose his porch, what her intent was. Have you ever been awoken in the middle of the night by a possible intruder in your home? It's scary and disorienting and you are focused on protecting yourself. Real survival is at all costs....that is the way the mind often works.

    Do we even know if he had a porch light or other light on to see the threat better? I mean, imagine that in the dark.
    It's not that simple. It has to be a credible threat. If it were only as you say, anyone at anytime can claim they felt threatened and start killing people.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    From what I hear about this story, it seems this girl knocked on his door and was shot. That is murder. For this to be anything other than murder he would need a have had a reason to shoot her. Some type of threat would have to be established. Knocking on a door is not a threat. Doesnt matter if you dont know who they are, or the time of day or night. Knocking on a door, even drunken strangers in the middle of the night, is not adequate provocation to shoot someone.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    From what I hear about this story, it seems this girl knocked on his door and was shot. That is murder. For this to be anything other than murder he would need a have had a reason to shoot her. Some type of threat would have to be established. Knocking on a door is not a threat. Doesnt matter if you dont know who they are, or the time of day or night. Knocking on a door, even drunken strangers in the middle of the night, is not adequate provocation to shoot someone.
    Read the MI statute. You are simply wrong.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Read the MI statute. You are simply wrong.
    Wrong about what? Nothing in any statute that I am aware of says it is ok to shoot people in the face for knocking on your door.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    It's not that simple. It has to be a credible threat. If it were only as you say, anyone at anytime can claim they felt threatened and start killing people.

    Hence I wrote, "and must be proven."

    And then of course there was this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's not quite that simple....when the state starts to introduce that he shot thru a door, she was an 'innocent car accident victim', she had no visible weapons, etc etc etc.

    I don't know what the state will introduce and I don't know if any of those things are true...but that doesn't even matter on some points...'innocent car victim' is subjective but plays very well with some juries, if it gets to a jury. Not to mention that guilty or not....he may have to pay ALL his own court and lawyer costs. Depends on the state.
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