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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If he thought someone was trying to break in, then why did he open his front door before he shot her through the screen door? Who in their right mind would open their door like that, if they thought someone was attempting to break in? Nobody, that's who.

    Why did he call 911 AFTER he shot her in the face, and not while he assumed that she was attempting to break in?
    please dont ask common sense questions like that

    havent you been reading the homeowner claims he heard banging and he believed she was trying to break in that alone gives his statement credence and makes it fact <end sarcasm>
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) destroyed every post you made
    2.) because its 100% true there no fact you provided that support your lie of credence
    3.) 100% false he says he heard banging, that does not make it fact
    4.) 100% false he says he believed someone was trying to break-in, that does not make it fact
    5.) yes thats what he says but its meaningless in court without reasonably logic or facts and evidence to support it

    Your lie is destroyed again and you still havent posted any facts that support your lie, please do so in your next post we are waiting for you to stay on topic and support your claim
    Your lying behavior and dishonesty runs deep.

    You obviously do not know what a fact is.
    And you obviously do not know that the Prosecution has to prove his account wrong by the evidence, if not, his account stands.

    So please continue with your absurd replies, like I said, I am here to counter there stupidity.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If he thought someone was trying to break in, then why did he open his front door before he shot her through the screen door? Who in their right mind would open their door like that, if they thought someone was attempting to break in? Nobody, that's who.

    Why did he call 911 AFTER he shot her in the face, and not while he assumed that she was attempting to break in?

    Based on the evidence, here is what I believe happened.

    1) He heard the knock on the door.

    2) He armed himself, to be on the safe side (OK, that makes sense).

    3) He opened the front door.

    4) The gun accidentally discharged, hitting the girl.

    5) He then attempts to invent a story to explain away his carelessness.

    Not murder, by any stretch of the imagination, but definitely manslaughter, as her death was caused by his carelessness.
    I agree, other than you need to add "panic" to that seeing someone covered in blood and possibly acting frantic right there when he opened the door.

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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Why did he call 911 AFTER he shot her in the face, and not while he assumed that she was attempting to break in?
    Is there a set established procedure that one must respond a certain way?
    I am sorry, I haven't seen that written anywhere in the law. Could you please point it out?


    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If he thought someone was trying to break in, then why did he open his front door before he shot her through the screen door? Who in their right mind would open their door like that, if they thought someone was attempting to break in? Nobody, that's who.

    Why did he call 911 AFTER he shot her in the face, and not while he assumed that she was attempting to break in?

    Not murder, by any stretch of the imagination, but definitely manslaughter, as her death was caused by his carelessness.
    Wtf?
    Do you not follow what happened? There was no purposeful shooting.
    He heard banging. Not knocking.
    He believed someone was trying to break in.
    He then arms himself and proceeds to the door. (The banging caused his belief and is what brought him to his door armed, which is what is important.)
    He is protected and opens the door to find out what is going on, and the gun accidentally discharges.

    There is no inventing any story here, as that is exactly what we have been informed of.

    The only problem here is that you obviously think he armed himself in reply to simply knocking. That makes no sense.

    What makes sense is that she was drunk and trying to get in to what she most likely thought was her home by banging on the door. Especially as drunks are given to banging, and not simply knocking on doors to get in.

    And to answer your question, many would open the door like that. Why wouldn't he? He had protection.

    As for manslaughter... Of course, that is what I have said all along.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    It is critical that a person allow a possible assailant to hit them at least once before using a deadly weapon - and ideally multiple times - to leave no doubt of the danger.

    After the person has hit you multiple times, you should then overwhelm the person to prevail enough to be able to draw your weapon. Being hit 1, 2, 4, 5 times by an unarmed assailant doesn't prevent you from then defending yourself. This is particularly true if the would-be assailant is a teenager since they poise no danger to an adult. Teenage child lack the physical strength to harm or defeat an adult.

    Here are some examples of how a person has plenty of time to know they are under attack by an unarmed attacker and the legal wisdom of allowing yourself to be hit at least once before using a deadly weapon in self defense - and certainly against teenagers who can't really hurt any adult without a weapon anyway.


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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    1.)Your lying behavior and dishonesty runs deep.
    2.)You obviously do not know what a fact is.
    3.) And you obviously do not know that the Prosecution has to prove his account wrong by the evidence, if not his account stands.
    4.) So please continue with your absurd replies, like I said, I am here to counter there stupidity.
    1.) you keep saying this but cant prove it and your posts keep failing, please stay on topic
    2.) another post lie you havent been able to support with one fact
    3.) which was already done since there no evidence of attempted forced entry
    4.) and yet every post you made has failed because it has been destroyed by facts as pointed out by me and others.

    your post failed and gets destroyed by facts again

    fact remains there isnt credence without factual evidence or reasonable and rational logic

    PLEASE stay on topic and in the next post provide any facts that support your post lies . . . . EVEN ONE will work . . . one
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If he thought someone was trying to break in, then why did he open his front door before he shot her through the screen door? Who in their right mind would open their door like that, if they thought someone was attempting to break in? Nobody, that's who.

    Why did he call 911 AFTER he shot her in the face, and not while he assumed that she was attempting to break in?

    Based on the evidence, here is what I believe happened.

    1) He heard the knock on the door.

    2) He armed himself, to be on the safe side (OK, that makes sense).

    3) He opened the front door.

    4) The gun accidentally discharged, hitting the girl.

    5) He then attempts to invent a story to explain away his carelessness.

    Not murder, by any stretch of the imagination, but definitely manslaughter, as her death was caused by his carelessness.
    You missed one. He pointed the gun at the girl.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) you keep saying this but cant prove it and your posts keep failing, please stay on topic
    2.) another post lie you havent been able to support with one fact
    3.) which was already done since there no evidence of attempted forced entry
    4.) and yet every post you made has failed because it has been destroyed by facts as pointed out by me and others.

    your post failed and gets destroyed by facts again

    fact remains there isnt credence without factual evidence or reasonable and rational logic

    PLEASE stay on topic and in the next post provide any facts that support your post lies . . . . EVEN ONE will work . . . one
    More absurd nonsense from you.
    Figures.

    You must not realize that there are different ways to use the word.

    In the following, I am using it two ways.
    * as something that actually is true.
    and
    * as something that is said to be true. (which you obviously didn't know, otherwise you would not have been telling the untruths as you have.)

    Fact - You saying I provided no fact is an untruth. *

    Facts already provided.*
    Fact - He heard banging. *
    Fact - He believed someone was trying to break-in. *

    The second form of use being often used in Court, with the jurors being the triers of said "facts". i.e.: Deciding who is believable.


    fact (fækt)

    n.
    1. something that actually exists: Your fears have no basis in fact.
    2. something known to exist or to have happened.
    3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true.

    4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened.
    5. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence.
    Idioms:
    1. after the fact, done, made, or formulated after something has occurred.
    2. in fact, in truth; really; indeed: They are, in fact, great patriots.
    [1530–40; < Latin factum something done, deed]
    fact′ful, adj.

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    You have again been destroyed by facts, and now by the word "fact" itself. Go figure, So entertaining.




    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    You missed one. He pointed the gun at the girl.
    You can not show there was any deliberate pointing.
    So saying "he pointed" hasn't been proven.
    Why this needs to be pointed out is perplexing. It is as bad as having to point out what the word actually means.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    More absurd nonsense from you.
    Figures.

    You must not realize that there are different ways to use the word.

    In the following, I am using it two ways.
    * as something that actually is true.
    and
    * as something that is said to be true. (which you obviously didn't know, otherwise you would not have been telling the untruths as you have.)

    Fact - You saying I provided no fact is an untruth. *

    Facts already provided.*
    Fact - He heard banging. *
    Fact - He believed someone was trying to break-in. *

    The second form of use being often used in Court, with the jurors being the triers of said "facts". i.e.: Deciding who is believable.

    fact (fækt)
    n.
    1. something that actually exists: Your fears have no basis in fact.
    2. something known to exist or to have happened.
    3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true.

    4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened.
    5. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence.
    Idioms:
    1. after the fact, done, made, or formulated after something has occurred.
    2. in fact, in truth; really; indeed: They are, in fact, great patriots.
    [1530–40; < Latin factum something done, deed]
    fact′ful, adj.

    Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary
    fact - definition of fact by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    You have again been destroyed by facts, and now by the word "fact" itself. Go figure, So entertaining.





    You can not show there was any deliberate pointing.
    So saying "he pointed" hasn't been proven.
    Why this needs to be pointed out is perplexing. It is as bad as having to point out what the word actually means.
    fact remains there isnt legal credence without factual evidence or reasonable and rational logic
    please NEVER stop posting these fails

    PLEASE stay on topic and in the next post provide any facts that support your post lies . . . . EVEN ONE will work . . . one
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    fact remains there isnt legal credence without factual evidence or reasonable and rational logic
    please NEVER stop posting these fails

    PLEASE stay on topic and in the next post provide any facts that support your post lies . . . . EVEN ONE will work . . . one
    The fact remains that you are still wrong and were stating untruths.

    The fact remains that you are the one who fails because you have no clue as to what you speak.

    The fact remains that his statements are factual evidence.

    The fact remains that the prosecutor has to prove his statements false or they stand as they are.
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