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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I don't care whether you think a person would say that or not. He said it. It is the evidence that we have at this time.
    Well, maybe they'll call you as a PhD linguistics expert with years of research on this specific word usage to explain how every English speaking person uses the word "accidental" exactly as you do.

    People tried to pick apart every single word Zimmerman said too.

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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    you answer is right in your question, you wanting a difference and playing word games is meaningless!
    I wasn't 'playing word games', I was asking a question.

    I've told my own daughter not to "bang" on the door like that, all it means is loud forceful strike unless you know and can show it factually means something else?
    No, I get it, and exactly what I am asking....The prosecutor is making the distinction between a "knock", and "banging" which here you agree are two different things....

    you seem to want it to have some type of merit, therefor you want the official report to say something else or just had to add banging, why?
    I didn't "add" banging, that was reported by the 911 call as how Wafer described it.

    the answer is its meaningless but since the professionals are neutral and educated they use knock because there was no evidence of attempted forced entry (meaning marks on the door etc) there has been no statments made by the home owner about trying to gain access etc.
    I would disagree...I think it has meaning as to what state of mind Wafer may have been in at the time, 4:30am, as you have already agreed that a knock is different from a banging.

    He didnt talk to the media they didnt even know who he was in the beginning. Did that come from some official report? do you have a link and quote? where does banging come from? did he say that to police, where you there?
    It is linked in the op, as well as sangha's article from the atlantic....go back and read it.

    So they use knock based on evidence and the home owners words that they know of.
    The homeowner, told 911, 'banging'....So what evidence shows the difference between a knock, and a bang?

    even more evident of your current bias and or lack of being objective is why did you add "politie" to the word knock?
    than say "open hand pounding"? seems you are trying to paint a picture based on the opinion in your mind and not reality
    Oh my....you already acknowledged that a knock is different from a bang.

    just a question, why did you feel the need to change that word based on nothing official?
    I was asking you a question....Why do you feel the need to be so defensive?

    again my list is based off of know on officially reported facts not fantasy, could they change, yes, but for now they are current
    Ok, so, is there a difference between a 'knock' and 'banging'?
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    A curious question...

    Any of you think if he KNEW she was dead that he should have FIRST called an attorney to make certain he perfectly crafted his phone call?

    Could/should that be held against him - that he first called an attorney was an indication of feeling guilt or that he did something illegal? I know there are many on this forum who say NEVER talk to the police. What about in this most legally dangerous situation - and you KNOW they are recording you.

    Maybe you SHOULD call and attorney and have the ATTORNEY call the police.

    Was he even legally required to call 911 at all? If so, what would that law be?
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    A CCW trainer I know ALWAYS tells people if they ever do shoot someone, NEVER talk to the police for 48 hours. Tell them you are too upset to talk to them, too much under stress. If they push you, then say you want an attorney present.

    In this situation, should he had only said, "Send an ambulance immediately to (address)" and hung up? There would be no reason for him to even also say "send police" if he believed he had not done anything wrong. Just an ambulance to pick up the body.

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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1.)I wasn't 'playing word games', I was asking a question.
    2.)No, I get it, and exactly what I am asking....The prosecutor is making the distinction between a "knock", and "banging" which here you agree are two different things....
    3.) I didn't "add" banging, that was reported by the 911 call as how Wafer described it.
    4.) I would disagree...I think it has meaning as to what state of mind Wafer may have been in at the time, 4:30am, as you have already agreed that a knock is different from a banging.
    5.) It is linked in the op, as well as sangha's article from the atlantic....go back and read it.
    6.) The homeowner, told 911, 'banging'....So what evidence shows the difference between a knock, and a bang?
    7.) Oh my....you already acknowledged that a knock is different from a bang.
    8.) I was asking you a question....Why do you feel the need to be so defensive?



    9.) Ok, so, is there a difference between a 'knock' and 'banging'?
    1.) reality seems you are
    2.) no by definition they can be the same, one is suggestive though
    3.) yes but yet the official police report doesn't use it, so thats adding

    if you would like me to add to the facts this line i gladly will

    "homeowner claims driver was banging on door"

    would you like this added?

    4.) no its still meaningless because legally it doesnt change anything and no i have not said they are different, they can be equal but one is suggestive and colorful language.

    5.) see #3 and #4, i will add that statement if you like

    6.) as i already pointed out they are the same and legally meaningless unless there is physical evidence that would show attempted forced entry, did you not read and understand this the first time

    7.) dont want to answer the question because you know it exposes you huh? go it
    and oh my lol nope just that one is colorful and suggestive but legally and definition wise they are not

    ill ask again, lets see if you dodge it again
    why did you add "politie" to the word knock?
    than say "open hand pounding"? seems you are trying to paint a picture based on the opinion in your mind and not reality


    8.) who is defensive lmao did you think that deflection would work.
    now answer the question, why did you feel the need to change my list?

    9.) nope, not legally and definition wise they can be the same one is just suggestive
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    FACT LIST

    additions made to make everyone happy



    car wreck a little before 1
    -cell phone was dead
    -911 was called to report accident by passer by/ neighbor
    -People stopped to help driver
    -driver is a 19yr old woman 5'4"
    -driver was disoriented and bloody
    -driver left scene
    -driver returned to scene, 911 was called again to report this about 1:25
    -cops and EMS show up to seen about 1:42, driver is gone
    -driver left scene
    -County prosecutor statement says driver knocked on locked screen door about a mile away and there is no evidence of forced entry
    -home owner opened interior door
    -home owner is 54yr old man, over 6ft and 200lbs
    -driver was shot in the face through locked screen door
    -911 was called to report shooting by home owner, home owner claims the following:
    "Uh yes... I just shot somebody on my front porch with a shotgun, banging on my door." Wafer gives his address (we deleted the address in our post) and ends the call by saying "thank you" and hanging up, even as ---police dispatch continued.
    -911 dispatched police
    -911 called homeowner back and he confirmed he shot someone he didnt know on his porch
    -police arrive find driver on porch with large hole in face



    autopsy confirms homicide and shot in face at a distance
    toxicology reveals drinking and weed in driver


    Murder 2 charges have been filed along with man slaughter and possession of a firearm during the attempted commission of a felony or commission of a felony.

    anything else feel free to add with links

    also any further audio of the 911 claims please post the official audio or transcript and ill gladly add them

    more specifically the call back
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong you are.
    And quite frankly a really absurd reply.
    Banging heard from the door would sound like a person trying to break-in through the door, as it obviously did.
    And you know this hoe - were you there? No.

    Have you read police reports? No.

    Do you have any bad inside info? No.

    Are you speculating? Yes.

    Are you discounting other folks observations? Yes.

    Are you being unreasonable on your analysis? Yes.

    Ate you being unjustifiably arrogant? Yes.

    Are you acting like a know-it-all? Yes.

    Are your assessments just as speculative as everyone else's? Yes.

    Are their observations similarly valued as yours? Yes.

    Do you need to stop browbeating everyone else and their opinions and use some common sense? Yes.

    Are you and your opinions any better or worse than anyone else here? Nope.

    Be civil, fair and reasonable or leave the thread.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) good job with the link
    Oy vey, can your condescending attitude.
    It has always been out there, all you had to do was inform yourself of the actual facts of the case.


    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    but now tell me what banging means
    Being obtuse again I see. Figures.
    You know what banging means. It certainly isn't simply knocking.

    He said banging. That is official.
    And that banging is what he reacted to, and said he thought someone was breaking-in.
    Had he just heard knocking he most likely wouldn't have thought some one was trying to break-in. Or had that not occurred to you?


    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    of it being meaningless.
    It isn't meaningless as it is what prompted his response.


    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    2.) so you cant point it out because i didnt, please note i never said he knew it was a girl, another thing i never pointed out because its not fact.
    do you understand how a list of facts work?
    Being absurd again I see. As I stated, the information you provided is irrelevant unless or until information becomes available to make it relevant.
    Or do you not understand that?



    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    3.) nope because factually nothing you have pointed out has changed any facts i listed nor are relevant to a list of facts
    What an absurdly wrong thing to say.
    Banging is not knocking. They tend to illicit different responses. So yes banging does change the facts as you stated and is relevant.
    And you stating their ages and heights was only to further the purpose of showing there is a difference between them, which is irrelevant unless or until further information become available making it relevant.
    So can you bs and be honest once in your life.



    And since it is obvious that you and other folks have difficulty following along and keeping track of that which has come before, let me include this info again.

    THE MICHIGAN PENAL CODE (EXCERPT)
    Act 328 of 1931



    750.329 Discharging firearm pointed or aimed at another person resulting in death; manslaughter; exception; "peace officer" defined.

    Sec. 329.

    (1) A person who wounds, maims, or injures another person by discharging a firearm that is pointed or aimed intentionally but without malice at another person is guilty of manslaughter if the wounds, maiming, or injuries result in death.

    (2) This section does not apply to a peace officer of this state or another state, or of a local unit of government of this state or another state, or of the United States, performing his or her duties as a peace officer. As used in this section, "peace officer" means that term as defined in section 215.


    History: 1931, Act 328, Eff. Sept. 18, 1931 ;-- CL 1948, 750.329 ;-- Am. 2005, Act 303, Imd. Eff. Dec. 21, 2005

    Michigan Legislature - Section 750.329
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Well, maybe they'll call you as a PhD linguistics expert with years of research on this specific word usage to explain how every English speaking person uses the word "accidental" exactly as you do.

    People tried to pick apart every single word Zimmerman said too.
    And nothing you said changes the fact that he said it, or that that is the evidence that we have at this time.
    No reason to speculate anything else.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    And you know this hoe - were you there? No.

    Have you read police reports? No.

    Do you have any bad inside info? No.

    Are you speculating? Yes.

    Are you discounting other folks observations? Yes.

    Are you being unreasonable on your analysis? Yes.

    Ate you being unjustifiably arrogant? Yes.

    Are you acting like a know-it-all? Yes.

    Are your assessments just as speculative as everyone else's? Yes.

    Are their observations similarly valued as yours? Yes.

    Do you need to stop browbeating everyone else and their opinions and use some common sense? Yes.

    Are you and your opinions any better or worse than anyone else here? Nope.

    Be civil, fair and reasonable or leave the thread.
    Wow!
    You are simply over the top wrong!
    The evidence that has been reported is ...
    He said it was banging. Period.
    He said he believed someone was trying to break in. Period.
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