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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Just as a question J, how would she be able to tell the difference between a polite knock, and an open handed pounding on the screen door at 4:30 am....Was she there?
    you answer is right in your question, you wanting a difference and playing word games is meaningless!
    ive told my own daughter not to "bang" on the door like that, all it means is loud forceful strike unless you know and can show it factually means something else?

    you seem to want it to have some type of merit, therefor you want the official report to say something else or just had to add banging, why?


    the answer is its meaningless but since the professionals are neutral and educated they use knock because there was no evidence of attempted forced entry (meaning marks on the door etc) there has been no statments made by the home owner about trying to gain access etc.

    He didnt talk to the media they didnt even know who he was in the beginning. Did that come from some official report? do you have a link and quote? where does banging come from? did he say that to police, where you there?

    So they use knock based on evidence and the home owners words that they know of.


    even more evident of your current bias and or lack of being objective is why did you add "politie" to the word knock?
    than say "open hand pounding"? seems you are trying to paint a picture based on the opinion in your mind and not reality

    knock has no description it could be violent, it could be polite?

    just a question, why did you feel the need to change that word based on nothing official?

    again my list is based off of the known officially reports facts not fantasy or colorful suggestive language, could they change, yes, but for now they are current
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    So pointing a gun at someone's face and shooting them, is not intent to kill? Are you serious?
    Did you bother to read the actual Law?
    Of course not.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I didn't know banging on someone's door is now reason enough to shoot their face off.
    Accidental discharge is not called a reason to shoot a person's face off, or didn't you know that?
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There you go making **** up again...Nowhere did I say "front door" did I? In fact, the article you cherry picked to refute what I was saying, says this...

    "Could there be valid argument of self-defense in this case if the defendant was behind a locked screen door? “Certainly that’s a possibility,” says Henning."

    Now instead of making stuff up, and not even apparently reading your own articles, just try being honest for a change.

    I don't know if it was a justified shooting or not, but I do know that at 4:30am, in not the best of neighborhoods in Detroit, and you are awoken by a drunk person banging on your door, and shouting at you, that is not going to end well....And it didn't....The justice system will have the final word.
    You bring up something I hadn't thought of. You're right. Shooting "thru the screen" at close range does NOT necessarily mean the screen door was locked OR closed. A lot of screen doors have locks that don't work and a lot of people don't lock them. We don't.

    It is possible that at the same time he was opening the door she was opening the screen door. So when he opened the door he saw some covered blood coming at him thru the screen door she was opening and coming towards him at the same time out of the dark at 3:30 am. That would totally freak out and panic anyone. If a person had a firearm and wouldn't used it even in that situation, what good is a firearm? In that sequence, he would have fired thru the screen of the partly open screen door she was coming thru towards him.

    There would be no way to know if the screen door was locked or not by evidence. I MAJOR piece of evidence would be whether her DNA and/or prints were on screen door, screen door handle and/or front door. Was she "pounding on the door?" or "pounding on the screen?" She MAY have OPENED the screen door and was pounding on the door. He opens - shotgun in his hand to her right into his face - her all bloody and looking maybe crazed - coming in at him - and boom! What would be your reaction if you opened your front door to someone knocking - and when you did a bloody crazed person was opening the screen door coming starting at you?

    I'm not saying that happened, but facts published don't prevent it either. On what has been published, this can be speculated in all different directions.

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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Prove "intent" then in this case....I'll wait.


    The direction the gun was pointed is intentional. Guns don't point themselves. Wherever they are pointed, it is the result of the deliberate and intentional actions of the person pointing it.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How do you know he knew it was pointing at her face? Are you serious?
    because when it went off, her face went bye-bye
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Accidental discharge is not called a reason to shoot a person's face off, or didn't you know that?
    "Accident discharge" is just something a person in that situation would say. I don't put much stock in it either way. I think "panic firing" more accurate. Not necessarily a defense to manslaughter, but I think that more accurate as to what happened.

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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The direction the gun was pointed is intentional. Guns don't point themselves. Wherever they are pointed, it is the result of the deliberate and intentional actions of the person pointing it.
    That's BS!

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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Play the video in the player to hear it.

    Wafer says: "Uh yes... I just shot somebody on my front porch. with a shotgun, banging on my door." Wafer gives his address (we deleted the address in our post) and ends the call by saying "thank you" and hanging up, even as police dispatch continued.


    Audio: 911 call made by Theodore Wafer after he shot Renisha McB - Fox 2 News Headlines


    2.)Please note that he didn't say it was a girl he shot.
    He may not have known.


    3.). Pointing out it's relevancy should be apparent to you.
    1.) good job with the link but now tell me what banging means (legally) since i have said that to my daughter and what its merit is, also again ill be sticking with the police report since they base it off of evidence see post 251 for further factual explanation of it being meaningless.

    2.) so you cant point it out because i didnt, please note i never said he knew it was a girl, another thing i never pointed out because its not fact.
    do you understand how a list of facts work?

    3.) nope because factually nothing you have pointed out has changed any facts i listed nor are relevant to a list of facts

    assumptions on top of the facts are meanignless
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    "Accident discharge" is just something a person in that situation would say. I don't put much stock in it either way. I think "panic firing" more accurate. Not necessarily a defense to manslaughter, but I think that more accurate as to what happened.
    I don't care whether you think a person would say that or not. He said it. It is the evidence that we have at this time.
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