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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    link to make that fact?
    ive read "heard noises" , heard breaking in, heard what sounded like people etc etc but all speculation but none "quoted" from him or official statement or from an official investigator

    1.)every official report says the country prosecutor states the evidence shows she was knocking. this is about current facts, ill stick with that until you have something else
    2.) interesting can you show me where i claimed it meant anything in addition to actually listing it? i only listed as fact. thanks
    Play the video in the player to hear it.

    Wafer says: "Uh yes... I just shot somebody on my front porch. with a shotgun, banging on my door." Wafer gives his address (we deleted the address in our post) and ends the call by saying "thank you" and hanging up, even as police dispatch continued.


    Audio: 911 call made by Theodore Wafer after he shot Renisha McB - Fox 2 News Headlines


    Please note that he didn't say it was a girl he shot.
    He may not have known.


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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So I see you've given up trying to pretend that the gun was somehow pointed without intent.

    Probably the smartest decision you've made in this thread
    Oh, I never said that he wasn't pointing the gun, but I don't think, and still don't think that he was intentionally pointing it at her head....Are we clear now?
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    All I am saying is that the article doesn't say that he opened the door, nor does it say that he was aiming at her head, or anything like that. In fact the reasonable explanation when reading the article is that he had the shotgun aimed at the door, as he approached and the gun fired accidentally, went through the door and happened to hit her in the head....In fact, from what I see in the article, it doesn't say that he knew it was a girl, nor how tall she was, so this rush to make Wafer out to be someone who opened the door, took aim, and blew her head off is ridiculous.
    I agree and have already pointed out the difference between aim a gun at someone and hold a gun that is pointing at someone.

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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, I never said that he wasn't pointing the gun, but I don't think, and still don't think that he was intentionally pointing it at her head....Are we clear now?
    What's clear is that you don't understand how the law uses the term "intent"

    The direction the gun was pointed in did not happen "by accident", nor did the gun point itself. The direction the gun was pointed was the result of the deliberate and intentional acts of the killer.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I agree and have already pointed out the difference between aim a gun at someone and hold a gun that is pointing at someone.
    Some folks don't get it.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    What's clear is that you don't understand how the law uses the term "intent"

    The direction the gun was pointed in did not happen "by accident", nor did the gun point itself. The direction the gun was pointed was the result of the deliberate and intentional acts of the killer.

    That doesn't show intent to kill. Nor does an accidental discharge.

    Hell, even the MCL I cited shows that simply aiming is not intent to kill.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Not knocking. He reported banging.
    And unless, or until, further information comes about making her age and height relevant, it is irrelevant.
    I didn't know banging on someone's door is now reason enough to shoot their face off.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    That doesn't show intent to kill. Nor does an accidental discharge.

    Hell, even the MCL I cited shows that simply aiming is not intent to kill.
    So pointing a gun at someone's face and shooting them, is not intent to kill? Are you serious?
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    What's clear is that you don't understand how the law uses the term "intent"

    The direction the gun was pointed in did not happen "by accident", nor did the gun point itself. The direction the gun was pointed was the result of the deliberate and intentional acts of the killer.
    Prove "intent" then in this case....I'll wait.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    So pointing a gun at someone's face and shooting them, is not intent to kill? Are you serious?
    How do you know he knew it was pointing at her face? Are you serious?
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