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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You got pwned, and now you're trying to insist that I offer proof that he opened the door, while you speculate that he shot through the front door, with no evidence to support you, and in spite of the picture taken after the shooting which shows no hole in the door.
    There you go making **** up again...Nowhere did I say "front door" did I? In fact, the article you cherry picked to refute what I was saying, says this...

    "Could there be valid argument of self-defense in this case if the defendant was behind a locked screen door? “Certainly that’s a possibility,” says Henning."

    Now instead of making stuff up, and not even apparently reading your own articles, just try being honest for a change.

    I don't know if it was a justified shooting or not, but I do know that at 4:30am, in not the best of neighborhoods in Detroit, and you are awoken by a drunk person banging on your door, and shouting at you, that is not going to end well....And it didn't....The justice system will have the final word.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Manslaughter, yes, but murder? I just don't see it. Murder has to involve malice, and I don't see malice here. I do see manslaugher, but murder charges are ridiculous. What does everybody else think?

    Article is here.
    The three charges are Murder 2, manslaughter and unlawful discharge(possibly in commission of felony)

    I figured the murder 2 is just to help give leverage to manslaughter, not an uncommon practice to my knowledge when multiple charges are levied



    but yes unless there is more info out there i think a sole charge of murder would be a mistake.

    shooting through the door is almost a guaranteed conviction for manslaughter if we have all the facts.

    M2 would require more in my meaningless opinion, there were some RUMORS about 911 call times though and moving/relocating the body.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Or she came into line with the barrel on her own startling him.
    So again, stop assuming.
    Even if aimed at her, by the evidence we have it is only a Manslaughter charge, not Murder 2
    I don't even know if he'll get that....According to sangha's own article....

    "Could there be valid argument of self-defense in this case if the defendant was behind a locked screen door? “Certainly that’s a possibility,” says Henning. “It is possible that there was shouting, or perhaps an effort to open up the door, or bang on a window or something like that could give him a basis to believe that there was a threat that someone was going to break into his home. From there, you could infer a threat of death or serious bodily harm.”
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    also to stay on track these are the facts we know so far


    car wreck a little before 1
    cell phone was dead
    911 was called to report accident by passer by/ neighbor
    People stopped to help
    driver was disoriented and bloody
    driver left scene
    driver returned to scene, 911 was called again to report this about 1:25
    cops and EMS show up to seen about 1:42, driver is gone
    driver left scene
    driver knocked on locked screen door about a mile away (driver is a 19yr old woman 5'4")
    home owner opened interior door (home owner is 54yr old man, over 6ft and 200lbs)
    driver was shot in the face through locked screen door
    911 was called to report shooting by home owner, he said he shot someone and he hung up about 4:45)
    911 dispatched police
    911 called homeowner back and he confirmed he shot someone he didnt know on his porch
    police arrive find driver on porch with large hole in face

    no evidence of forced entry

    autopsy confirms homicide and shot in face at a distance
    toxicology reveals drinking and weed in driver


    Murder 2 charges have been filed along with man slaughter and possession of a firearm during the attempted commission of a felony or commission of a felony.

    anything else feel free to add with links
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There you go making **** up again...Nowhere did I say "front door" did I? In fact, the article you cherry picked to refute what I was saying, says this...

    "Could there be valid argument of self-defense in this case if the defendant was behind a locked screen door? “Certainly that’s a possibility,” says Henning."

    Now instead of making stuff up, and not even apparently reading your own articles, just try being honest for a change.

    I don't know if it was a justified shooting or not, but I do know that at 4:30am, in not the best of neighborhoods in Detroit, and you are awoken by a drunk person banging on your door, and shouting at you, that is not going to end well....And it didn't....The justice system will have the final word.
    So now you're going to pretend that we were discussing whether or not it was a "justified shooting" or not?

    We were talking about your claim about whether the gun was "proactively" pointed towards the victim. Your attempt to distract from that has failed.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So now you're going to pretend that we were discussing whether or not it was a "justified shooting" or not?

    We were talking about your claim about whether the gun was "proactively" pointed towards the victim. Your attempt to distract from that has failed.
    I am not pretending anything....As with most conversations between adults, they move forward...But then again maybe I am not taking into account whom I have engaged....
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    driver knocked on locked screen door about a mile away (driver is a 19yr old woman 5'4")
    Not knocking. He reported banging.
    And unless, or until, further information comes about making her age and height relevant, it is irrelevant.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    1.)Not knocking. He reported banging.
    2.) And unless, or until, further information comes about making her age and height relevant, it is irrelevant.
    link to make that fact?
    ive read "heard noises" , heard breaking in, heard what sounded like people etc etc but all speculation but none "quoted" from him or official statement or from an official investigator

    1.)every official report says the country prosecutor states the evidence shows she was knocking. this is about current facts, ill stick with that until you have something else
    2.) interesting can you show me where i claimed it meant anything in addition to actually listing it? i only listed as fact. thanks
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am not pretending anything....As with most conversations between adults, they move forward...But then again maybe I am not taking into account whom I have engaged....
    So I see you've given up trying to pretend that the gun was somehow pointed without intent.

    Probably the smartest decision you've made in this thread
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.)every official report says the country prosecutor states the evidence shows she was knocking....
    Just as a question J, how would she be able to tell the difference between a polite knock, and an open handed pounding on the screen door at 4:30 am....Was she there?
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