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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If you are holding the shotgun up to your shoulder, and taking aim, that is 'proactive'.... if say, you have the gun at your hip, or just cradling it apart from the firing stance and aim, and it goes off that load is headed down range at the trajectory it was pointing at....Doesn't mean he meant to shoot her in the face, if at all.
    You must be using a different meaning for the term "pro-actively" than the rest of us use. For the rest of us, "pro-actively" doesn't have anything to do with an intention to shoot someone.

    My understanding is that when you "just cradle" a gun with no intention of firing, then you point it down.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You must be using a different meaning for the term "pro-actively" than the rest of us use. For the rest of us, "pro-actively" doesn't have anything to do with an intention to shoot someone.

    My understanding is that when you "just cradle" a gun with no intention of firing, then you point it down.
    So, are you saying that this girl could not have been shot in anything other than an intentional act? Really? I tell ya...Sometimes this is why I get frustrated with this place....My God! You want to pick apart every word, instead of addressing what it is I am saying...
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, are you saying that this girl could not have been shot in anything other than an intentional act?
    Twisting my words will not hide the way you have twisted the facts.

    I have clearly stated, more than once, that we don't have enough info to know what happened. We do not know if he intentionally fired the gun, or if it fired unintentionally. However, normal and reasonable people realize that guns do not get pointed at peoples' faces "on accident".
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    There is that spin again. Young girl indeed.
    Young woman is what she was. A 19 year old woman.

    Now show he knew that was who was at the door.
    You can't because it is most likely he didn't know.
    Nor do you know if he pointed it or not.
    You can get caught up on the word or accept it's relevance. A 19yr old is less threatening in appearance than an older woman and certainly less than a grown man.
    You are clearly committed to an opinion. Let's not discuss.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    My understanding is that when you "just cradle" a gun with no intention of firing, then you point it down.
    Of course you would do this during non-use for safety purposes.
    This situation, one of a perceived threat, it would be unwise to do that and not have it at ready.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You can get caught up on the word or accept it's relevance. A 19yr old is less threatening in appearance than an older woman and certain less than a grown man.
    You are clearly committed to an opinion. Let's not discuss.
    It isn't relevant as already pointed out. So there is no need to accept it.
    It was nothing but spin on your part.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    However, normal and reasonable people realize that guns do not get pointed at peoples' faces "on accident".
    Normal people realize that you shouldn't assume that it was.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Of course you would do this during non-use for safety purposes.
    This situation, one of a perceived threat, it would be unwise to do that and not have it at ready.
    Of course. If you perceive a threat, and pointing the weapon at the threat, then you are not merely "cradling" the gun. You're aiming it.

    The gun going off may have been unintentional, but aiming the gun could not be accidental.

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    Normal people realize that you shouldn't assume that it was.
    That it was "what"? Aimed at her face?

    I think the fact that when it went off, she got shot in the face strongly suggests that the gun was pointed at her face.

    But maybe he had one of those new curvy bullets
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Of course. If you perceive a threat, and pointing the weapon at the threat, then you are not merely "cradling" the gun. You're aiming it.

    The gun going off may have been unintentional, but aiming the gun could not be accidental.
    And that is only if you are assuming pointing/aiming at the threat, which should not be done.

    And even if it was purposely aimed, it is manslaughter. Not Muder2.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That it was "what"? Aimed at her face?

    I think the fact that when it went off, she got shot in the face strongly suggests that the gun was pointed at her face.

    But maybe he had one of those new curvy bullets



    No it does not mean it was pointed at her face. As in a deliberate act.
    Nor does it mean it was pointed at her face at all.
    Or do you not understand the spread of a shotgun blast?
    We do not even know if it was shot or slug.
    You just can't assume these things.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That it was "what"? Aimed at her face?

    I think the fact that when it went off, she got shot in the face strongly suggests that the gun was pointed at her face.
    How do you know it was "aimed at her face?" It could have just as easily been aimed at the door, and when it went off the recoil rose the barrel and the shot ended up hitting her in the face?

    Have you ever fired a shotgun, or a gun of any type?
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