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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    So he accidentally shot what he was pointing his shotgun at? I'm sorry, 2nd degree murder is appropriate when someone is so insanely reckless that they carelessly disregard human life by pointing a weapon at someone who's not a threat.
    As the man claims that his shotgun went off accidentally, I don't think you can claim he was "pointing" his weapon at the girl with purpose, it could have been in her direction. And unless you have access to the actual forensics involved, then you are assuming way too much.

    But, I will say this is a tragedy, the girl should be alive today. It is just sad that the area in which he lives prompts him to assume danger first....
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

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    You clearly are lost.
    He was resounding to a perceived threat. Therefore was not reckless.
    Nor is it Murder 2, but manslaughter.
    So a knock at your door in the dead of night is a threat?
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As the man claims that his shotgun went off accidentally, I don't think you can claim he was "pointing" his weapon at the girl with purpose, it could have been in her direction. And unless you have access to the actual forensics involved, then you are assuming way too much.

    But, I will say this is a tragedy, the girl should be alive today. It is just sad that the area in which he lives prompts him to assume danger first....
    Sorry, but that's utterly ridiculous. You don't accidentally point a shotgun at someone's head. You don't just have a shotgun raised with your finger on the trigger that just happens to be pointed at someone's face.

    I hope to God you don't own a gun if you're going to go with that line of thought.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You clearly are lost.
    He was resounding to a perceived threat. Therefore was not reckless.
    Nor is it Murder 2, but manslaughter.

    And btw, try citing Michigan law and not an inapplicable legal dictionary.
    I agree. It was manslaughter. The prosecutor is probably attempting to leverage a plea deal here, so it doesn't end up going to trial.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

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    I agree. It was manslaughter. The prosecutor is probably attempting to leverage a plea deal here, so it doesn't end up going to trial.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    So a knock at your door in the dead of night is a threat?
    What knock?
    Have you not been paying attention? He heard banging.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Sorry, but that's utterly ridiculous. You don't accidentally point a shotgun at someone's head. You don't just have a shotgun raised with your finger on the trigger that just happens to be pointed at someone's face.

    I hope to God you don't own a gun if you're going to go with that line of thought.
    You are making way to many assumptions in reference to pointing. The only thing we know for sure is that when it accidentally went off, it was pointed in the same direction. Which may not have been on purpose.

    But what we do know is, that under Michigan law such a scenario with deliberate pointing is manslaughter.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Sorry, but that's utterly ridiculous. You don't accidentally point a shotgun at someone's head. You don't just have a shotgun raised with your finger on the trigger that just happens to be pointed at someone's face.
    See, that's where you don't get it....he didn't have to proactively have the shotgun pointed at the girls face in order for it to hit here there....You clearly don't understand forensics, nor do you seem to grasp the physics of firing a shotgun.

    I hope to God you don't own a gun if you're going to go with that line of thought.
    I own several, and hold a CCP as well...I can assure you that I am probably more qualified to own a gun than you ever hope to be sir.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    See, that's where you don't get it....he didn't have to proactively have the shotgun pointed at the girls face in order for it to hit here there....You clearly don't understand forensics, nor do you seem to grasp the physics of firing a shotgun.



    I own several, and hold a CCP as well...I can assure you that I am probably more qualified to own a gun than you ever hope to be sir.
    What is the difference between "pro-actively pointing a gun" somewhere and just doing it the normal way?
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    What is the difference between "pro-actively pointing a gun" somewhere and just doing it the normal way?
    If you are holding the shotgun up to your shoulder, and taking aim, that is 'proactive'.... if say, you have the gun at your hip, or just cradling it apart from the firing stance and aim, and it goes off that load is headed down range at the trajectory it was pointing at....Doesn't mean he meant to shoot her in the face, if at all.
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