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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

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    That isn't my way, but the way it has been reported.
    You asked where I got it from, I provided it.

    Do you really not understand why I stated, "Now I have no idea if what has been reported is true", when I gave you what you asked for?


    And then you fail to provide proof to support your belief when it is asked for.
    All you did was provide something you believed as support.
    Belief isn't good enough and you should know that.

    And if you want to know how to prove it, look at the second image with the door removed.
    Lets see if it dawns on you.
    I realize you're quite pleased with yourself, Excon. I just have a hard time figuring out why.

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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    What about... what about this particular situation... watcha think about that?
    I really don't know, as there is insufficient information.

    I personally have never had a situation like this as I have a large inside dog who alerts me about everything.

    I honestly fear that the homeowner might have been half awake at 0430 hrs, and might have been guilty of poor judgement and bad gun handling.

    Some folks are in a stupor when awakened in early hours, some are not.

    If the girl was literally trying to come through the door, I could see SD.

    In a similar situation, I would have had a loaded handgun in my hand and held low and out of sight - I have answered the door in this manner as we live out in the country.

    I have a shotgun, but don't like using it for SD as they are too big and you are holding it in full view.

    I did not want the person to see that I was armed, and I have never had an issue.

    I was not there, so I cannot speak specifically about it.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    I could see the fear from an aged homeowner.

    The accidental shot fired by this Detroit homeowner bothers me.

    Having a gun in a ready position and one's finger on the trigger is moronic if one is assessing a situation.

    I have been in a position several times where I had a handgun out at the low ready position, but did not have my finger on the trigger.

    Stupid things happen with poor gun handling skills.
    Agreed. This may indicate the lesser charge of manslaughter, I would speculate.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Agreed. This may indicate the lesser charge of manslaughter, I would speculate.
    I agree with your speculation, and speculate that you are correct! 😄
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I realize you're quite pleased with yourself, Excon. I just have a hard time figuring out why.
    Your take on this is very odd.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    I really don't know, as there is insufficient information.

    I personally have never had a situation like this as I have a large inside dog who alerts me about everything.

    I honestly fear that the homeowner might have been half awake at 0430 hrs, and might have been guilty of poor judgement and bad gun handling.

    Some folks are in a stupor when awakened in early hours, some are not.

    If the girl was literally trying to come through the door, I could see SD.

    In a similar situation, I would have had a loaded handgun in my hand and held low and out of sight - I have answered the door in this manner as we live out in the country.

    I have a shotgun, but don't like using it for SD as they are too big and you are holding it in full view.

    I did not want the person to see that I was armed, and I have never had an issue.

    I was not there, so I cannot speak specifically about it.
    I've answered my door the same way. Handgun out of sight. No one who "belongs" is going to be knocking on my door at 1 AM in the morning, that's for sure. I'd have no problem answering the door with a shotgun, though. It's pretty intimidating. I mean, there's hardly a question one would miss.

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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Your take on this is very odd.
    My take is that somebody used the wrong word. By no stretch of the imagination was there a screen door, a storm door and an interior door. You've gone to the bank and back that there was. (The bank was closed.)

    My take is, sans this word-picking going on, that the guy shot through the storm door after he opened the interior door. The storm door, according to the article, was found locked. There was no evidence of break-in. Period.

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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    My take is that somebody used the wrong word. By no stretch of the imagination was there a screen door, a storm door and an interior door. You've gone to the bank and back that there was. (The bank was closed.)

    My take is, sans this word-picking going on, that the guy shot through the storm door after he opened the interior door. The storm door, according to the article, was found locked. There was no evidence of break-in. Period.
    In this scenario, and with extrapolating with speculation from usual human behavior... he may have been alarmed by her, perhaps she was rattling the door trying to open it. She may have been frightened and agitated and was certainly intoxicated, which could lead him to misinterpret her behavior. He may have taken aim with his finger on the trigger, and accidentally fired. This all seems reasonable to me based on what has been said so far, and also making A LOT of assumptions.
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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    In this scenario, and with extrapolating with speculation from usual human behavior... he may have been alarmed by her, perhaps she was rattling the door trying to open it. She may have been frightened and agitated and was certainly intoxicated, which could lead him to misinterpret her behavior. He may have taken aim with his finger on the trigger, and accidentally fired. This all seems reasonable to me based on what has been said so far, and also making A LOT of assumptions.
    Yeah, I agree. As a civilized society, we can't overlook reckless use of a firearm. She hadn't broken in. She wasn't armed. I rather agree with Excon that he's being over-charged. That rankles me because I think they're bowing to political pressure. But it's wrong that a young unarmed girl died that night. There's a reasonable charge there someplace. Unless they can prove this guy acted with malice, I think they're going to have a hard time with this one.

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    Re: Homeowner in Renisha McBride's killing to face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, I agree. As a civilized society, we can't overlook reckless use of a firearm. She hadn't broken in. She wasn't armed. I rather agree with Excon that he's being over-charged. That rankles me because I think they're bowing to political pressure. But it's wrong that a young unarmed girl died that night. There's a reasonable charge there someplace. Unless they can prove this guy acted with malice, I think they're going to have a hard time with this one.
    I am leaning that way as well.
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