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Ohio delays inmate's execution over organ donation

danarhea

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COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Ohio's governor delayed the execution of a condemned child killer to consider the inmate's unprecedented organ donation request, acknowledging that it's "uncharted territory" but expressing hope that the man might help save a life before losing his own.
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A condemned killer saving a life before losing his own? I think that's a great idea. In fact, this should be an option for everyone who is sentenced to die. It should be strictly voluntary, of course. It would be another way of exectution. Instead of strapping the condemned to a gurney and executing him, he would be put on an operating table, his organs harvested, then the plug pulled on him afterwards. IMHO, this would not be considered cruel and unusual punishment, but would be a way for a condemned to show his remorse by saving a life, while sacrificing his own. Many lives could be saved.

This should be a voluntary option for EVERY condemned killer.

What do you think?

Article is here.
 
danarhea said:
A condemned killer saving a life before losing his own? I think that's a great idea. In fact, this should be an option for everyone who is sentenced to die. It should be strictly voluntary, of course. It would be another way of exectution. Instead of strapping the condemned to a gurney and executing him, he would be put on an operating table, his organs harvested, then the plug pulled on him afterwards. IMHO, this would not be considered cruel and unusual punishment, but would be a way for a condemned to show his remorse by saving a life, while sacrificing his own. Many lives could be saved.

This should be a voluntary option for EVERY condemned killer.

What do you think?

Article is here.
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I completely agree. Excellent plan. A man/woman gets to go to meet his maker having done a selfless act. And where he has brought destruction? He can now bring life.

Ought to be public policy -- an option for every condemned prisoner on execution day.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I don't want a psycho killer organs in me. No thanks.
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I can understand the eyes, but not other organs. A killer's liver isn't big deal, but image what those eyes have seen!
 
roughdraft274 said:
Cooties aren't real either.
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I LIVED A LIE MY WHOLE LIFE!

Anyway... I agree with the OP, it should be at least VOLUNTARY.

Personally, I have one of them cards that says that if I die, my organs can be harvested and used to save other people. So yeah, I did this voluntarily... I personally also think that this should be the standard: Your organs are de facto to be harvested if you die but you can choose to opt out.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I don't want a psycho killer organs in me. No thanks.
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Get out the pitchforks, folks, and destroy that demon before he has a chance to donate those evil organs. :mrgreen:
 
We have a state politician trying to get this done here in Oklahoma. It has opposition from doctors. One was quoted on camera citing the doctor's pledge to stay out of executions. it appears somewhere in 1994 the AMA declared a doctor is prohibited from declaring an inmate dead, something about the focus of a doctor is on helping a patient live and not certifying a criminal's death upon execution.

made me wonder if non capital crime felons could donate an organ, or part in the case of a liver and earn parole.
 
notquiteright said:
We have a state politician trying to get this done here in Oklahoma. It has opposition from doctors. One was quoted on camera citing the doctor's pledge to stay out of executions. it appears somewhere in 1994 the AMA declared a doctor is prohibited from declaring an inmate dead, something about the focus of a doctor is on helping a patient live and not certifying a criminal's death upon execution.

made me wonder if non capital crime felons could donate an organ, or part in the case of a liver and earn parole.
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Train an abortion doctor to do it. They don't have anything against executions.
 
Hmmm.... if at the last mnute they learn the person really was innocent... do they put the organs back in?

I think they would have to brain-dead kill the person first "just in case."
 
ItAin'tFree said:
Train an abortion doctor to do it. They don't have anything against executions.
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Nice try but last I checked the AMA doesn't classify early term abortions as an execution, the legal system doesn't classify an early term abortion an execution, nor does the Bible have an admonishment against abortions of any kind unlike adultery, men with men and blending textiles, so I do believe you are off base and your stalking horse has a limp... :roll:
 
notquiteright said:
Nice try but last I checked the AMA doesn't classify early term abortions as an execution,
Check again. The IPAB and/or the Sec of HHS can decide almost anything they want. They decide who lives and dies.

the legal system doesn't classify an early term abortion an execution,
Aw. Do the same exact thing with as little as one minute difference makes a difference on weather it's an execution or not? No sale.

nor does the Bible have an admonishment against abortions of any kind unlike adultery, men with men and blending textiles,
Of course it does. Try reading the ten commandments.

so I do believe you are off base and your stalking horse has a limp... :roll:
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Nope, I'm right on the money. Limp on back to your stall.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
Nope, I'm right on the money. Limp on back to your stall.
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Nice CON game but I said AMA, and your attempt at making this some gubmint thing is bogus.

There is the rub, the minute difference you refer to is viability, not exact time. fact is NO ONE can tell down to the minute, more CON BS.

Funny I don't see abortion listed in the 10 commandments, covet, keeping the Sabbath holy, idolatry, theft- but not aborting the unborn....

Now the Bible does mention abortion-

Exodus 21:22 gives the punishment for causing an UNWANTED abortion as a fine determined by the judges. Murder of the woman is punishable by death but not causing an abortion. causing her to lose the fetus is a civil lawsuit, killing the woman is eye for eye life for a life stuff.

Numbers 5 11:31 has a very detailed religious act to determine if a wife was made pregnant by a man other than her husband and if the fetus is by another man the ritual and 'water of bitterness' would abort the another man's child.

You really should do more than attempt an very vague cherry pick of the Good Book, and the AMA set the execution guidelines- trying to spin up some vast gubmint conspiracy against fetuses is lame...

So the money you're on is CON lame bucks... and your stalking horse is still loose...
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Guess I know the difference between movies and real life.
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Oh come on jred... that was funny. When I read the OP that movie is the first thing that came to my mind. Of course the second movie reference that came to mind was:

"Whose brain did you get"

"Abby Someone"

"Abby who?"

"I think it was Abby Normal"

"So you brought me an abnormal brain?" -- Young Frankenstein​


 
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sawyerloggingon said:
Shows what you know, The Hand was a documentary. :lol:
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Well there was some movie or show that had a killer's hand attached to someone and the horror ensued... I thought that was what you were talking about.
 
poweRob said:
Well there was some movie or show that had a killer's hand attached to someone and the horror ensued... I thought that was what you were talking about.
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It was an old movie, I was trying to make a joke. Sometimes I think I'm the only one here with a sense of humor.
 
poweRob said:
Perhaps it's your delivery. :lol:
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It can be. Reminds me of people sitting around a campfire and telling jokes. Everybody knew the jokes, so they would just say a number relating to a joke. One guy says 17, and everybody laughs there ass off. Another guy says 25, and there is complete silence before one of the other campers says "Damn, you just don't know how to tell a joke".
 
notquiteright said:
Nice CON game but I said AMA, and your attempt at making this some gubmint thing is bogus.
Like other liberals you don't understand what you have done with the passage of Obamadon'tcare. Get the right Sec of HHS in place, no more government funded murder of the unborn. Of course with the wrong one like we have now, the executions will continue.

There is the rub, the minute difference you refer to is viability, not exact time. fact is NO ONE can tell down to the minute, more CON BS.
Aw but the paperwork makes all the difference on whether the executioner goes to jail or escapes justice. One minute difference can mean a new day which can mean a new trimester. But thanks for making an unintentional case against abortion.

Funny I don't see abortion listed in the 10 commandments, covet, keeping the Sabbath holy, idolatry, theft- but not aborting the unborn....
Try reading them again, just do it this time with your eyes open. Pay close attention to number six.

Now the Bible does mention abortion-

Exodus 21:22 gives the punishment for causing an UNWANTED abortion as a fine determined by the judges. Murder of the woman is punishable by death but not causing an abortion. causing her to lose the fetus is a civil lawsuit, killing the woman is eye for eye life for a life stuff.

Numbers 5 11:31 has a very detailed religious act to determine if a wife was made pregnant by a man other than her husband and if the fetus is by another man the ritual and 'water of bitterness' would abort the another man's child.
Sorry, your weak attempt at using theology has failed badly at making a case for murdering children. Heres one of a zillion quotes that show abortion is wrong: "Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter. If you say, "But we knew nothing about this," does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who guards your life know it? Will he not repay each person according to what he has done? (Proverbs 24:11-12).

You really should do more than attempt an very vague cherry pick of the Good Book, and the AMA set the execution guidelines- trying to spin up some vast gubmint conspiracy against fetuses is lame...

So the money you're on is CON lame bucks... and your stalking horse is still loose...
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No cherry picking on my part of the bible. Trot on down to a local church and get the preacher to explain the bible to you. You've proven you are incapable of understanding it on your own.
You have also proven yourself uninformed on the ACA and the BS games the liberals played, specifically abortion, to get it to pass. It was a conspiracy that was done to still allow government funded abortion.
So, as I have proven to you, I am still right on the money. Limp on back to your barn and close the gate behind you.
 
There are an average of 89 deaths of Americans daily in automobile accidents in the US as of 2011. Many of those are not good candidates for harvesting organs but that still leaves a sizable number each day.

How many executions does your state have daily? This isn't even worth trying. One may not adopt the criminal ways of a prisoner organ but there may be enough psychological reasons that such an expensive procedure would not be worth it.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
No cherry picking on my part of the bible. Trot on down to a local church and get the preacher to explain the bible to you. You've proven you are incapable of understanding it on your own. You have also proven yourself uninformed on the ACA and the BS games the liberals played, specifically abortion, to get it to pass. It was a conspiracy that was done to still allow government funded abortion. So, as I have proven to you, I am still right on the money. Limp on back to your barn and close the gate behind you.
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More silly CON games. I cite the Bible, you wave vaguely at it. I cite the AMA and you try a CON dodge with ACA.

NONE of which shows the legal abortions allowed by LAW and the MEDICAL community are executions- that was just your hyper-partisan CON game.

Now which preacher should I go to? The one who burns Qurans, or maybe the one who says Gays are going to hell?? Perhaps the one who's Church allows gays to be pastors, or perhaps the one who shuffled pedophiles from parish to parish???

Typical, YOU vaguely wave at the Bible AND apparently require it to be explained by a preacher, as you have presented ZERO proof from the Holy Book...

No Sir your stalking horse is on it's last legs, bring abortion into something completely different and then rather than provide proof of ANYTHING you claim, drag the ACA in as well... :roll:

CON game 101
 
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