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Ohio delays inmate's execution over organ donation

ItAin'tFree said:
No cherry picking on my part of the bible. Trot on down to a local church and get the preacher to explain the bible to you. You've proven you are incapable of understanding it on your own.
You have also proven yourself uninformed on the ACA and the BS games the liberals played, specifically abortion, to get it to pass. It was a conspiracy that was done to still allow government funded abortion.
So, as I have proven to you, I am still right on the money. Limp on back to your barn and close the gate behind you.
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You and I have differing definitions of "prove."

Look, he's correct that neither the AMA nor any part of the US government consider a legal abortion to be an "execution." Or murder. Or manslaughter. We know you disagree. Your opinion doesn't change the law.
 
Crosscheck said:
There are an average of 89 deaths of Americans daily in automobile accidents in the US as of 2011. Many of those are not good candidates for harvesting organs but that still leaves a sizable number each day.

How many executions does your state have daily? This isn't even worth trying. One may not adopt the criminal ways of a prisoner organ but there may be enough psychological reasons that such an expensive procedure would not be worth it.
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There is still a shortage of organs. This idea would still be beneficial.
 
They should think about donating before they end up on death row. I say no.
 
Crosscheck said:
There are an average of 89 deaths of Americans daily in automobile accidents in the US as of 2011. Many of those are not good candidates for harvesting organs but that still leaves a sizable number each day.

How many executions does your state have daily? This isn't even worth trying. One may not adopt the criminal ways of a prisoner organ but there may be enough psychological reasons that such an expensive procedure would not be worth it.
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1k in jail, 3k in prison, deaths per year.

http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pjdc0009st.pdf
 
CRUE CAB said:
They should think about donating before they end up on death row. I say no.
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So if an innocent person can receive the organ, you still think two people should die instead of one? nice.
 
notquiteright said:
More silly CON games. I cite the Bible, you wave vaguely at it. I cite the AMA and you try a CON dodge with ACA.
I cite the bible and you deny it. LOL. The AMA is against the ban on partial birth abortions. IOW, the are against the law the says partial birth abortions is murder. But back to the ACA, if it isn't tossed one day you be screaming very loud. It give the Sec of HHS way to much power.

NONE of which shows the legal abortions allowed by LAW and the MEDICAL community are executions- that was just your hyper-partisan CON game.
You must not be aware of bans on partial birth abortion or don't mind lying about it.

Now which preacher should I go to? The one who burns Qurans, or maybe the one who says Gays are going to hell?? Perhaps the one who's Church allows gays to be pastors, or perhaps the one who shuffled pedophiles from parish to parish???
Or one of thousands of others.

Typical, YOU vaguely wave at the Bible AND apparently require it to be explained by a preacher, as you have presented ZERO proof from the Holy Book...
LOL. Learn to read.

No Sir your stalking horse is on it's last legs, bring abortion into something completely different and then rather than provide proof of ANYTHING you claim, drag the ACA in as well... :roll:
LOL. Causing life to end is "completely different"? You can't be that ...never mind.

CON game 101
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Next time you are grazing in the pasture, do some thinking for a change.
 
Deuce said:
You and I have differing definitions of "prove."

Look, he's correct that neither the AMA nor any part of the US government consider a legal abortion to be an "execution." Or murder. Or manslaughter. We know you disagree. Your opinion doesn't change the law.
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Of course they do, under certain conditions. Your opinion doesn't change the law.
 
Doesn't the shot cocktail ruin the organs? Can they be rinsed and flushed out safely?

The way I see it, they can't take the organs until the damned is officially deceased. If they are thinking about putting him under and harvesting the organs while he is still alive. That's just plain wrong.
 
d0gbreath said:
That's just plain wrong.
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Why would it be wrong since that is what the inmate is agreeing to? I mean I could understand if just the state wanted to do this, but it's the inmate giving the ok to do it.
 
TheNextEra said:
Why would it be wrong since that is what the inmate is agreeing to? I mean I could understand if just the state wanted to do this, but it's the inmate giving the ok to do it.
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Well first you have to find Doctors and surgeons that will perform these harvests on a live individual. Then, what happens to the execution. Are they going to give a lethal dose injection to a man that is already dead, or should they keep him alive on machines, wake him up and then give him the injection? Those victimized often want to see the condemned shake and strain against the restraints so that they can have closure.

It's very disturbing at least with any scenario.
 
d0gbreath said:
Well first you have to find Doctors and surgeons that will perform these harvests on a live individual.
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The doctors can keep him alive and have someone else pull the plug.

d0gbreath said:
Then, what happens to the execution. Are they going to give a lethal dose injection to a man that is already dead, or should they keep him alive on machines, wake him up and then give him the injection?
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Keep them alive on machines until all is harvested, than have the same person that would normally press the buttons to activiate the lethal injections pull the plug when its done.

Those victimized often want to see the condemned shake and strain against the restraints so that they can have closure.
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The death penalty and execution is not about satisfying the revenge wishes of the victimized. Also, if lethal injection is given they don't strain against the restraints, they first are given a strong sedative that puts them to sleep, then the lethal doses are given.
 
TheNextEra said:
The doctors can keep him alive and have someone else pull the plug.



Keep them alive on machines until all is harvested, than have the same person that would normally press the buttons to activiate the lethal injections pull the plug when its done.



The death penalty and execution is not about satisfying the revenge wishes of the victimized. Also, if lethal injection is given they don't strain against the restraints, they first are given a strong sedative that puts them to sleep, then the lethal doses are given.
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It's very easy to miss, or go right through a vein when giving an intravenous shot. Angel Dias was executed in Florida. They had to give him the drugs twice. His face contorted, he mouthed words, and was noticeably in pain for the 34 minutes that it took to kill him. Remember, it's trained guards that don't get much practice, instead of medical professionals, giving the injections.
 
d0gbreath said:
It's very easy to miss, or go right through a vein when giving an intravenous shot. Angel Dias was executed in Florida. They had to give him the drugs twice. His face contorted, he mouthed words, and was noticeably in pain for the 34 minutes that it took to kill him. Remember, it's trained guards that don't get much practice, instead of medical professionals, giving the injections.
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Ok so then my idea is better. Have trained doctors harvest the organs and when finished, the only thing an executioner would have to do is pull the plug. See, no needle problem and no suffering.
 
TheNextEra said:
Ok so then my idea is better. Have trained doctors harvest the organs and when finished, the only thing an executioner would have to do is pull the plug. See, no needle problem and no suffering.
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Yeah, I don't see a problem with harvesting the condemned organs if they want to donate. It just seems weird. I'm an organ donor myself, but would prefer that they take what they need after I'm dead.
 
danarhea said:
A condemned killer saving a life before losing his own? I think that's a great idea. In fact, this should be an option for everyone who is sentenced to die. It should be strictly voluntary, of course. It would be another way of exectution. Instead of strapping the condemned to a gurney and executing him, he would be put on an operating table, his organs harvested, then the plug pulled on him afterwards. IMHO, this would not be considered cruel and unusual punishment, but would be a way for a condemned to show his remorse by saving a life, while sacrificing his own. Many lives could be saved.

This should be a voluntary option for EVERY condemned killer.

What do you think?

Article is here.
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I'm a bit of two minds on this one, considering the recent revelations of China's organ mining from prisoners in that country. It is, however, a form of atonement for the person sentenced to die, so that is to be commended.
 
d0gbreath said:
Yeah, I don't see a problem with harvesting the condemned organs if they want to donate. It just seems weird. I'm an organ donor myself, but would prefer that they take what they need after I'm dead.
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The main problem I see with this is security to make sure the inmate doesn't try to escape.
 
CRUE CAB said:
They should think about donating before they end up on death row. I say no.
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I think I would go with the medical opinion. If it was a healthy organ and my life, or my child's or spouse's life was in jeopardy?

Yeah....I'd take a healthy organ.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
Next time you are grazing in the pasture, do some thinking for a change.
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Typical mindless CON dodge. Can't use facts so you get snarky. My cattle graze in my pastures- they have taught me a lot about mindless CON cattle... one thing I have noticed- online confronting a CON with facts has the same impact as showing a steer calf a hamburger.... they just don't get it! :roll:
 
notquiteright said:
Typical mindless CON dodge. Can't use facts so you get snarky. My cattle graze in my pastures- they have taught me a lot about mindless CON cattle... one thing I have noticed- online confronting a CON with facts has the same impact as showing a steer calf a hamburger.... they just don't get it! :roll:
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I would guess you have shown a calf a hamburger about as many times as you have actually used facts. Not many times, if at all.
 
TheNextEra said:
The main problem I see with this is security to make sure the inmate doesn't try to escape.
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People without hearts rarely can run far.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
I would guess you have shown a calf a hamburger about as many times as you have actually used facts. Not many times, if at all.
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More CON BS. I cited the Bible chapter and verse, you barely waved your hand at it. I pointed out the law and AMA BOTH say early term abortion isn't murder- you try and drag the ACA into it... :roll:

I'd say you seem to not know a fact when it moos at you... :)
 
If he saves a life then doesn't that make it all even? What's the justification for killing him after then? Maybe to then make it even again, the organs are removed from whoever got them.

Yeah i have to mock any state with medieval tactics posing as justice.
 
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