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Green Man said:
I didn't define it as theft. I said it was too similar to outright theft to be considered ethical. Please stop with the intellectual dishonesty.
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Oh - yeah - sure :roll: - right :doh --- you remind me of Willie Wonka lamely holding up a hand and saying in a very soft voice "no stop don't" as that bratty girl is about to drown in his river of chocolate. ;)

But again, I guess you have no compunction about advocating the government not honor its commitments to the American people despite them honoring theirs?
 
haymarket said:
Oh - yeah - sure :roll: - right :doh --- you remind me of Willie Wonka lamely holding up a hand and saying in a very soft voice "no stop don't" as that bratty girl is about to drown in his river of chocolate. ;)

But again, I guess you have no compunction about advocating the government not honor its commitments to the American people despite them honoring theirs?
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was that the old version or the new old........the old one is a boy....clearly the better one too, ..its a classic
 
ernst barkmann said:
was that the old version or the new old........the old one is a boy....clearly the better one too, ..its a classic
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You could be right about the child - and I agree that original is far superior. Depp was simply far too creepy.
 
haymarket said:
Your posts cross the line into inane hyperbole when you define a voluntary program overwhelmingly supported by the American people for almost 80 years now with a benefit as theft.
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You keep saying it's voluntary. By what method does one remove themselves from paying into S.S. and medicare without becoming a member of congress or having an exceptionally high income? Which form do I sign? Which government office do I contact?
 
reinoe said:
You keep saying it's voluntary. By what method does one remove themselves from paying into S.S. and medicare without becoming a member of congress or having an exceptionally high income? Which form do I sign? Which government office do I contact?
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One can do several things including working in the underground economy where taxes are not collected.... working not at all .... exercising your ultimate right of free choice by withdrawing from the USA because of policies you object to and doing what the Pilgrims did and go somewhere else as their is no Berlin Wall keeping you here against your will.

Your living here is voluntary. It is of your own free will. When you know what is required of you and you continue to stay, you have consented to the situation.
 
haymarket said:
Oh - yeah - sure :roll: - right :doh --- you remind me of Willie Wonka lamely holding up a hand and saying in a very soft voice "no stop don't" as that bratty girl is about to drown in his river of chocolate. ;)

But again, I guess you have no compunction about advocating the government not honor its commitments to the American people despite them honoring theirs?
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The government ought not have made the commitment in the first place. But I would be fine with the government paying everyone back what they contributed. And then it should be shut down.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
While you are correct about some technology resulting from direct gov't investment, very little of the current federal spending falls into that category. The vast majority of federal spending is now directed toward entitlements.

Perhaps you can supply a link citing Al Gore as a historic figure key to the internet development.

Hobbes' Internet Timeline - the definitive ARPAnet & Internet history
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It's right in your link:
The concept and plan for a national US research and education network is proposed by Gordon Bell et al in a report to the Office of Science and Technology, written in response to a congressional request by Al Gore. (Nov) It would take four years until the establishment of this network by Congress :)gb1:)
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haymarket said:
One can do several things including working in the underground economy where taxes are not collected.... working not at all .... exercising your ultimate right of free choice by withdrawing from the USA because of policies you object to and doing what the Pilgrims did and go somewhere else as their is no Berlin Wall keeping you here against your will.

Your living here is voluntary. It is of your own free will. When you know what is required of you and you continue to stay, you have consented to the situation.
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Ahh I see. There's also the option of choosing to change the system from within, but you ignored that part. Well of course there's also the Lenin analogy. The Russians could have just accepted gulags and anyone who didn't like it should have just left. Sure lots of people left but anyone who didn't had no right to complain about gulags.

You're doing mental backflips to justify pyramid schemes. That they're popular doesn't change that fact that they are indeed pyramid schemes.
 
Green Man said:
The government ought not have made the commitment in the first place. But I would be fine with the government paying everyone back what they contributed. And then it should be shut down.
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That was NOT the commitment the government made.
 
reinoe said:
Ahh I see. There's also the option of choosing to change the system from within, but you ignored that part. Well of course there's also the Lenin analogy. The Russians could have just accepted gulags and anyone who didn't like it should have just left. Sure lots of people left but anyone who didn't had no right to complain about gulags.

You're doing mental backflips to justify pyramid schemes. That they're popular doesn't change that fact that they are indeed pyramid schemes.
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All I am doing is explaining reality to you.
 
calamity said:
Obamascare and Benghazigedden are Fox News manufactured crisises, simply red meat thrown to the faithful.
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that's idiotic. Obamataxcare is a joke, millions cannot sign up and Benghazi has dead people.
 
haymarket said:
That was NOT the commitment the government made.
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Oh, did the government commit to giving everyone a unicorn that craps out skittles?

They shouldn't have made a commitment that entailed them taking money from some people and giving it to others. That is completely immoral. There is nothing good about robbing Peter to pay Paul.
 
Grant said:
So without Al Gore we would not have had the Internet and without the government we would not have had high-end technology. How do you suppose mankind advanced at all without the government instructing entrepreneurs where to invest their time and money? All those inventions would never have happened, huh?
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We didn't necessarily specially need Al Gore, but we needed someone who had the vision and he was the one.
Sometimes a project is so big and expensive it takes the government to undertake it.
 
Jack Hays said:
Yup.:peace

National Taxpayers Union - Who Pays Income Taxes?

National Taxpayers Union › Tax Basics‎
... Who Pays Income Taxes? Are You Paying Too Much in Taxes? Taxes ... Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid. Top 1%. $343,927. 36.73. Top 5%.

[h=2]Who Pays Income Taxes and How Much?[/h]
Tax Year 2009​
Percentiles Ranked by AGI​
AGI Threshold on Percentiles​
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid​
Top 1%​
$343,927​
36.73​
Top 5%​
$154,643​
58.66​
Top 10%​
$112,124​
70.47​
Top 25%​
$66,193​
87.30​
Top 50%​
$32,396​
97.75​
Bottom 50%​
<$32,396​
2.25​
Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service

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Damn
I'm in the bottom 50%
 
Jack Hays said:
Of course they paid less. It was a tax cut. But they did not escape their income tax obligation, whereas many at the bottom were relieved of their burden, thereby making the tax code more progressive.:peace
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Apparently you like being fooled, however I do not. They would have paid the same amount whether or not the bottom paid taxes or not. You can call it a progressive tax until you're blue in the face, but it is clearly not.
 
Green Man said:
Oh, did the government commit to giving everyone a unicorn that craps out skittles?

They shouldn't have made a commitment that entailed them taking money from some people and giving it to others. That is completely immoral. There is nothing good about robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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It is always interesting to see how the far right finds ways to renege on promises to the people.
 
haymarket said:
It is always interesting to see how the far right finds ways to renege on promises to the people.
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Personally, I would modify that statement to replace "far right" with "politicians".
 
reinoe said:
It's a pyramid scheme scheme too. That's also a reality.
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Tell us how many people who have fulfilled their end of the bargain have not gotten their promised benefits in the last 80 years. But now the far right wants to screw them all.
 
Green Man said:
So you are arguing that they voluntarily entered into the commitment? That they signed up voluntarily?
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They are here voluntarily and they understand the rules and they stay just the same. Yes - they are exercising free choice.
 
The Mark said:
Personally, I would modify that statement to replace "far right" with "politicians".
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The only people I see urging we screw the American people on social security is the right.
 
haymarket said:
The only people I see urging we screw the American people on social security is the right.
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I thought you were speaking in more general terms, not specifically SS.

And although I don't know one way or another, I'd guess that some left-leaning persons have suggested such.

Not far-left, though, probably.
 
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